Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

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mr.checkerboards said:
I dont think its totally fair to judge a kid based on stats from where he is leaving. Sometimes it's just not a fit schematially. I give you Josh Norman as an example, he was great in Carolina, they sat in most a cover 2 scheme. When he signed with Washigton who played more man he struggled. If they have the intangibles and the coaches think they can teach them to play our style I think it's worth it to take a risk on a kid who's stats aren't great.
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I’m ok with taking a chance on Grimes…. I just don’t think we need bodies this year…. We need a true number one cb…. If the staff feels they can get that out of him then I am more than ok with it….
 
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Also just something to point out as the College Football Hall of Fame debate continues.

It's "coach" not "head coach" so you can't ignore the 13 years of being an assistant and the success Leach had in those roles as part of the debate. His time at Valdosta State with Hal Mumme from 1992-1996 the pair went 40-17-1 and made the quarterfinals for the playoffs twice in that time, previously the school had never even made the playoffs.

What I also find interesting is that Leach was with Mumme at Kentucky for just 2 seasons as his OC, they scored 31.6ppg & 35.9ppg. Once he left to become OC at Oklahoma, Mumme was at Kentucky 2 more seasons as the HC there and failed to reach 28ppg in either of them before he was fired.
 
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Weezer said:
One corner and one safety could totally flip this secondary. You don't have to replace everyone, you just have to have a couple of game changers.
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Major problem you are ignoring...those are the same two "defensive secondary paradigm changing" players that literally EVERYBODY else wants.

You want them to just get somebody, but why is a guy like say Grimes worth the f'n trouble? From what I have seen of him, he hasn't done any better than what we have already, or anybody we have coming in...you are just blinded to that fact by those 5 shiny *s he USED to have by his name.

I for one don't see the point of just adding portal bodies just to be adding a portal body. We have 6...f'n..6 talented highschool recruits coming in that the staff DOES want and DOES think can make a difference in time...why the hell is that not enough of a commitment to the DB positions for you?

Imo..we ain't getting any "Big name" high-dollar DB recruits from the portal, so you and Bass might as well fire up your bitchfest for the long-haul....because it ain't gonna happen to suit you.

I think after all the HS kids are in the fold, they will eventually sign a couple portal guys, but I guarantee you it won't be anybody that you or Bass will get excited about.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m ok with taking a chance on Grimes…. I just don’t think we need bodies this year…. We need a true number one cb…. If the staff feels they can get that out of him then I am more than ok with it….
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Duck, Grimes, and Cypress would be a true number one DB. You're literally irritating the **** out of me now by saying " we don't need any DB's every single day" like brooooo you were the same one that said give Pruitt one more year.

We need DBs, more than one. Period. Our DB's are trashhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
 
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***RoadVol*** said:
What about the rolls being too large for the roller? Is forward still forward if you are left handed?
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Well, left handed people a clearly devil spawned so we don't take them into account.









I am just kidding. My oldest daughter is left handed. Not persecuting anyone.
 
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I really liked Leach but wanted him no where near our program. Not because he was a bad guy, honestly it's just because he was always so truthful with what he was thinking. Which is fine when you're winning, but after losses that guy would have driven me crazy if he was my coach....... Much better to appreciate his genius from afar. He was hilarious.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Surely you’re not talking about me whining about being persecuted, bc I’m not.. Ppl are all up in their feels bc I disrespected the almighty mike leach by saying I don’t see him as a HOFer and Idgaf… it’s my opinion. I don’t have to have the same opinion as the mob here
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Man, it's just all about the timing. The day the man dies is NOT the day for this discussion. Read the room for craps sake.
 
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SoilVol said:
Mike Leach does not qualify for the College Football HOF on 1 of the criteria. 0.600 win percentage. His is 0.596. If he'd won 3 more games he'd qualify. In fact he probably hit 0.600 halfway through the season.

But the HOF has a special review process for unique cases, so he may be considered. Kinda like (iirc) Chris Lofton deserving to have his jersey retired but not technically qualified per UT's reqs.

Anyway, 3x Conference COY (2x Pac12, 1x Big12). 1x National COY. Has more (18) wins as an unranked team over ranked teams than any other coach. Broke school offensive records at UK, TTU, WSU, MSU that are still held. His players broke conference records at all schools. His coaching tree is breaking records all over the place.

His coaching tree is possibly more successful than Saban's. Just off the top of my head: Heupel, Lincoln Riley, Kliff Kingsbury, Sonny Dykes, Dave Aranda, Neal Brown, Holgorsen, Wes Welker, etc.

Saban's got Jimbo, Kirby, Kiffin, Napier, Muschamp, Pruitt, McElwain, Locksley, etc. Lots of guys who got fired, several guys (Like Kiffin and Butch Jones) who are only under his "tree" because of stints at Bama. Not because they came up through his program as a player or GA. That's an argument for another day.

Leach's offense, and his impact stretches across football at every level. It's changed the way the game has played. Leach would get in the HOF (I think) via a review committee as a "special case) for the impact he's had on the sport. Not on his coaching record alone.
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The amount of records that his offenses and teams have broken is just insane.

At UK - 4 NCAA, 42 SEC and 116! School records broken.

At TTU - More than 150 NCAA, Big 12 and school records broken combined.

I know there are more at WSU and MSU but those are just the ones I saw cited at a quick glance. It’s insane.

It’d be even more interesting to see how many offensive records his coaching tree has broken in total. Way too much effort for me to take a stab at but I bet that number is ridiculous.
 
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TrippieRedd said:
Duck, Grimes, and Cypress would be a true number one DB. You're literally irritating the **** out of me now by saying " we don't need any DB's every single day" like brooooo you were the same one that said give Pruitt one more year.

We need DBs, more than one. Period. Our DB's are trashhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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I said that we shouldn’t fire anyone during a COVID year bc I coached teams during that time and understand the challenges teams faced( just like I didn’t hold it against JH)…I did not know everything that was going on inside the program or I would have been 100% on board with cleaning house….. if you want to look at the two things that I really got wrong…

1. Jeremy Pruitt was the next coaching superstar…. I wanted him two years before he was hired

2. Brandon Stewart was better than Peyton Manning and Manning was getting the nod bc of his name.

As for DBs…. I never said we didn’t need any…. I said I wanted a true number one corner…. Both Duck and Grimes was part of the worse secondaries in football… both guys really struggled….. Duck due to injury really slowing him down…. I really want cypress but stories that I read said cypress had reached to teams before entering the portal( we were not on that list so no reason worrying about someone that’s not an option) I don’t think we need a safety unless we cut someone…we have about 8 safeties on roster which seems like a lot…. I would still look at one if a stud becomes available but only at that time.
 
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