Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

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MoCo_Vol said:
Might just be Arion Carter's announcement he's promoting for him? He's in Smyrna (an hour behind us) so 12 their time would be 1 our time.
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I highly doubt that since he has said he’s making his announcement this week. Not sure there’s much of a connection between Hyatt and Carter. If I was guessing, I’d say Hyatt is totally unaware of Carters upcoming announcement
 
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VolGee4 said:
Facts and logic? That’s not fun.
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Don't fall for it. Have too much respect for you to let it go.

Martinez' first stint: 211, 198, 217, 228 YPG from 2013-2016. 213.5 YPG average. In 2016, his worst season for yardage allowed when his contract was not renewed, there were only 390 passing attempts and the completion percentage was 56.2% - which was very good. They just gave up 7 YPC, which was just middle of the pack in CFB.

So let's add perspective from that period before he arrived.

169, 230, 178, 282 YPG from 2009-2012. 214.75 YPG average. 2012 year's D was led by the infamous Sal Sunseri, which also led to Dools' firing. Essentially the same average per game including the Sunseri debacle.

That four year period gave the benefit of Eric Berry for one season, 2009, with a real DC in Monte Kiffin. So remove the two outliers - Monte and Sal - and what do you see? Essentially the same as Willie's four seasons.

For additional perspective for the past two seasons...

251, 287 YPG. The later number for this past season was on 476 pass attempts. In 2012 it was on 446. Yet, the completion percentage was lower in Sunseri's 2012 at 61% completed compared to 63.7% for this past season.

So what was the performance of the passing D during the Chavis years as Fulmer was getting toward the end? ESPN's stats go back to 2004

236, 216, 179, 245, 160 YPG from 2004-2008. 219 YPG average. As we know Fulmer was fired in 2008. So pick the worst performance of those five seasons in 2007 and the passing attempts was 466 and completion percentage was 59.4%. 3.2% higher completion percentage on 76 more passing attempts compared to Wille's worst passing yards allowed year in his first stint.

Note that Willie's best season does not approach the better seasons of all of the others shown above which occurred during one of the worst periods in our history.

Second - The development of many of those same CBs he described in #6 occurred in the NFL. The talent was obviously there, so their recruitment made sense in college. If WM recruited them, he deserves credit. The vast majority of those d-backs did not start in their first or second season in the NFL - which is a strong measure for quality development in college. It took several seasons before they saw significant playing time.

If we carry our comparisons over to other SEC elite programs, the measure that actually matters based on our tradition and standing in the CFB world - we suck on D and in passing defense by any measure and generally have on a trendline for the past 20 years. The appropriate measure instead of against our own stats would be against UGA, Bama, LSU and UF. They have won more games and NC's than us by a lot over that period.

So what should the standard be for UT and its defense given our tradition and current offensive performance if indeed we want to win a natty? We know it has not been the performance of the past two seasons. Take it from there.
 
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TrippieRedd said:
Duck, Grimes, and Cypress would be a true number one DB. You're literally irritating the **** out of me now by saying " we don't need any DB's every single day" like brooooo you were the same one that said give Pruitt one more year.

We need DBs, more than one. Period. Our DB's are trashhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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But we’re bringing in like 6 freshman right? That’s a lot of DB’s. I’m sure we’ll add 1 in the portal. How many more are you wanting to add?
 
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volbeast33 said:
I love talking football and am definitely open to talking about our weaknesses…. The only issue I have is most of the conversation is it’s based on emotion with no real facts added. Here are some examples:


1. Teams ran the ball a lot just like they passed the ball against us… it took two minutes to look up the stats to find out that was false.

2. Other teams dealt with the same injury situation that Tennessee did( no examples given)

3. We won’t Zach Arnett bc he would solve everything( look up stats and he gave up almost 2 more ppg than our defense did.

4. We need transfers bad…. I asked who everyone thinks would be better…. No examples were given except for Tony Grimes( looked up Tony Grimes and saw that he had struggled for the years on a pass defense that was as bad or worse than ours)

5. Been told how horrible WM is….. looked up stats and found out that WM time at UT before was some of our best secondary stats over the years.

6. I also found out that of the CBs that have played significant minutes in the NFL…. All of them have been coached by WM…. I asked when the last CB that played a significant role in the NFL that was coached by anyone other than WM…… Crickets***

If you want to discuss how to improve the team…. That’s great but bring facts and logic.
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Wouldn’t that be great!?!
 
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Vols4us said:
Which is the part that really matters and not that he coached at football factory schools that made the stats easier to attain. He did it at meh schools and was an innovator who left a legacy type impact on the game offensively, He had much success teaching and developing that spawned other coaches and players to excel. That he had a unique personality that attracted attention to the sport is just a great bonus.

He did football coaching and life his way, which is why those football factory schools, including UT, would not hire him.

HOF - zero question in my mind.
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Agree with all of that.
 
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The Ghost of Christmas Present points out to Scrooge, these two children are the result of a society that disregards the less fortunate...

“They are Man’s,” said the Spirit, looking down upon them. “And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy."
 
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