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ACvol3 said:
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The fact of our issue on defense is that we were abysmal against the pass. In the 10 wins we were phenomenal on offense and created enough stops defensively to negate the chunks of passing yards that we give up. In the two losses, we didn't get enough stops nor did we produce on offense like we had in previous games. UGA did whatever they wanted in the first half and then just ran the clock in the second half. USCe scored 9/10 times that they had the ball. That should be all that needs to be said. We got worse as the year went on in terms of executing coverages. We couldn't cover in man and we were completely lost in zone except against UK and Vandy. They were just awful on offense though, so I don't look at those defensive performances as an expectation of what we should have done against better competition. I believe that WM is a solid DB coach. I don't necessarily like TB's philosophy but I understand it and see that it can be effective with a consistent lineup. Our ppg was good but the way that we play defense opens us up to having games that go like the USCe game went, especially when the DB lineup was so out of sorts. I believe that they will hit on at least one good corner and LB out of the portal and then rely on the competition that will be created by the 6 newcomers to sort things out. We will see some DB's transfer after the bowl game and after spring practice. I understand the UGA loss, the USCe type loss I do not. That program is mediocre at best. If we are going to keep going up, we have to be way better than giving up 63 to that bunch. I believe Heupel is a winner and will fix what needs to be fixed.
 
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Vols4us said:
Don't fall for it. Have too much respect for you to let it go.

Martinez' first stint: 211, 198, 217, 228 YPG from 2013-2016. 213.5 YPG average. In 2016, his worst season for yardage allowed when his contract was not renewed, there were only 390 passing attempts and the completion percentage was 56.2% - which was very good. They just gave up 7 YPC, which was just middle of the pack in CFB.

So let's add perspective from that period before he arrived.

169, 230, 178, 282 YPG from 2009-2012. 214.75 YPG average. 2012 year's D was led by the infamous Sal Sunseri, which also led to Dools' firing. Essentially the same average per game including the Sunseri debacle.

That four year period gave the benefit of Eric Berry for one season, 2009, with a real DC in Monte Kiffin. So remove the two outliers - Monte and Sal - and what do you see? Essentially the same as Willie's four seasons.

For additional perspective for the past two seasons...

251, 287 YPG. The later number for this past season was on 476 pass attempts. In 2012 it was on 446. Yet, the completion percentage was lower in Sunseri's 2012 at 61% completed compared to 63.7% for this past season.

So what was the performance of the passing D during the Chavis years as Fulmer was getting toward the end? ESPN's stats go back to 2004

236, 216, 179, 245, 160 YPG from 2004-2008. 219 YPG average. As we know Fulmer was fired in 2008. So pick the worst performance of those five seasons in 2007 and the passing attempts was 466 and completion percentage was 59.4%. 3.2% higher completion percentage on 76 more passing attempts compared to Wille's worst passing yards allowed year in his first stint.

Note that Willie's best season does not approach the better seasons of all of the others shown above which occurred during one of the worst periods in our history.

Second - The development of many of those same CBs he described in #6 occurred in the NFL. The talent was obviously there, so their recruitment made sense in college. If WM recruited them, he deserves credit. The vast majority of those d-backs did not start in their first or second season in the NFL - which is a strong measure for quality development in college. It took several seasons before they saw significant playing time.

If we carry our comparisons over to other SEC elite programs, the measure that actually matters based on our tradition and standing in the CFB world - we suck on D and in passing defense by any measure and generally have on a trendline for the past 20 years. The appropriate measure instead of against our own stats would be against UGA, Bama, LSU and UF. They have won more games and NC's than us by a lot over that period.

So what should the standard be for UT and its defense given our tradition and current offensive performance if indeed we want to win a natty? We know it has not been the performance of the past two seasons. Take it from there.
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I had done this once before ….. I don’t like yardage as a sign of whether a defense is good or not…. I base it on comp%, ypa, and int rate…. You are free to decide which stats are important to you.

Here is what I found out going from 2004-2018 which is around the timeframe that you used.

2018 63.1%. 7.63 ypa. .8 int
2017 55.2%. 6.94 .4
2016. 55.1%. 6.94. .8
2015. 50.7%. 6.29. .9
2014. 53.3%. 6.76. 1.2
2013. 56.5%. 7.15. 1.2
2012. 61%. 7.6. 1.0
2011. 58%. 6.94 .8
2010. 57.4%. 6.79. .8
2009. 56%. 5.6. .8
2008. 56%. 5.6. 1.4
2007. 59.3%. 6.8. 1.1
2006. 57.4%. 7.14. .8
2005. 59.9%. 6.51. .8
2004. 60.8%. 7.34. 1.2

I had bad memories of WM as well but was shocked to find out that he had actually done pretty well especially when he came to ints…. 2008-2009 was definitely our best defenses but WM was as good or better than the rest( even better than the two sec championship years) 2 of our top 4 int rates during the 14 yr span.
 
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Orange Studs said:
Ok there is one fact. We were at the bottom against the pass. Dress it however you want. All I have been saying this whole time is that we need help in the secondary. If that is wrong then please continue. Yes I was ready to fire both WM and Banks after SC. I was beyond mad. I mean that game cost us the playoffs it wasn't just another loss. All I have been saying since is I hope we get a proven corner in the portal or even two. But somehow saying that means I am not happy with this class and the CB's coming in. What CB's have done in the NFL didn't helps us last year. lol Yes there were injuries that is why I keep saying I hope we address our need. We are slow and under talent in key positions. Those are facts. Burrell for example. When he was playing most wish he wasn't. Now we can't wait until he gets back. He couldn't tackle nor cover all that well. I am not going to keep going in circles with this conversation. I JUST WANT TO GET BETTER IN THE SECONDARY. But for some reason when someone talks about our secondary we get a list of "facts". The only fact that I am concerned with is we need better talented players back there and that's a fact.
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Everyone wants to have a better secondary/defense…. We just disagree on how to fleet there. We aren’t a playoff team (talent wise)…. We played above our heads this season…. Great job by the entire staff.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
We don’t need to be playing freshmen. We do desperately need to keep our freshmen in this class. People have given us hints that the coaches may go after someone in the portal after the bowls if they like any of the new ones. (Which means they may already know who they will get) Because we really don’t need to just take someone now that is not going to help. But they really want to see everyone through bowl practice and spring to decide if they need to go to the portal for help especially if some leave. I realize fans have already decided what they want. But apparently it’s not going to happen that way.
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Yep. They have a plan. and go after the guys they think will be the best fit for the greatest needs. It's not always who the fans want. Sometimes, it is. :)
 
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TitanicVolz said:
I bet Mike Leachs life story is one hell of a ride.Guy was as genuine as they come and will be sorely missed.He was just so authentic in this day n age hes a hard one to replace...Hell ill take 1 Mike Leach over 100 Nick Sabans & Jimbo Fishers.
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A 30 for 30 on Leach would be must watch.
 
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Brillovol said:
Speak for yourself. I was on the Leach train from the beginning and wanted him here in various capacities since his OC days at UK/OU. What he did for college football is monumental and defines a Hall of Fame career.
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I was ecstatic when it looked like we were about to hire Mike Leach in 2017. Outside of the 2016 start to the season, it was probably the most excited I had ever been about TN football to that point.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I had done this once before ….. I don’t like yardage as a sign of whether a defense is good or not…. I base it on comp%, ypa, and int rate…. You are free to decide which stats are important to you.

Here is what I found out going from 2004-2018 which is around the timeframe that you used.

2018 63.1%. 7.63 ypa. .8 int
2017 55.2%. 6.94 .4
2016. 55.1%. 6.94. .8
2015. 50.7%. 6.29. .9
2014. 53.3%. 6.76. 1.2
2013. 56.5%. 7.15. 1.2
2012. 61%. 7.6. 1.0
2011. 58%. 6.94 .8
2010. 57.4%. 6.79. .8
2009. 56%. 5.6. .8
2008. 56%. 5.6. 1.4
2007. 59.3%. 6.8. 1.1
2006. 57.4%. 7.14. .8
2005. 59.9%. 6.51. .8
2004. 60.8%. 7.34. 1.2

I had bad memories of WM as well but was shocked to find out that he had actually done pretty well especially when he came to ints…. 2008-2009 was definitely our best defenses but WM was as good or better than the rest( even better than the two sec championship years) 2 of our top 4 int rates during the 14 yr span.
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Not engaging on this item anymore. You are not comparing apples to apples, frame your arguments, etc. You do not compare against other top 5 SEC programs. When Willie gets his secondary into the top 75 nationally in passing yards allowed, completion percentage, and YPC - you have an argument as far as I am concerned. Others can buy it if they want, it's a message board. I 100% support your right to post anything you want.
 
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