Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

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TrippieRedd said:
It's funny. Volnation goes from "we don't need to be playing/starting freshmen" to "We have 5 freshmen DBs coming in"

Love it. Lmao
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We don’t need to be playing freshmen. We do desperately need to keep our freshmen in this class. People have given us hints that the coaches may go after someone in the portal after the bowls if they like any of the new ones. (Which means they may already know who they will get) Because we really don’t need to just take someone now that is not going to help. But they really want to see everyone through bowl practice and spring to decide if they need to go to the portal for help especially if some leave. I realize fans have already decided what they want. But apparently it’s not going to happen that way.
 
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At this point I don't know what the CBs will look like next year.

I feel like McDonald and Walker both should be starters and on the field though. The revolving door that injuries created for CB though I'm not sure. You want the best talent out there, if that's one of the freshmen or a guy coming off injury or a portal player doesn't bother me.

Do I think we need to upgrade our secondary? Absolutely.

But I try to be a realist. We're in bowl preparation and we don't want anyone on defense to enter the portal and not play in the bowl game. We're already going to need all hands on deck. We also have a numbers problem, so we really won't be able to add portal guy UNTIL we have some people leave.

So I expect we'll see things shake up after the Orange Bowl or after spring camp, just depends on how certain the staff is about the guys we have. So my response to everyone saying "we need a DB" is just that don't expect that need to be addressed yet, but don't assume it's not being addressed either.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Y’all act like you go to Leach’s house on Thanksgiving
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I can not believe you are still whining about this. You call people fragile and yet you have been complaining since monday. "I don't come here for sad news." If you don't like what people are posting simply scroll past, it is not that difficult.
 
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Vols4us said:
Don't fall for it. Have too much respect for you to let it go.

Martinez' first stint: 211, 198, 217, 228 YPG from 2013-2016. 213.5 YPG average. In 2016, his worst season for yardage allowed when his contract was not renewed, there were only 390 passing attempts and the completion percentage was 56.2% - which was very good. They just gave up 7 YPC, which was just middle of the pack in CFB.

So let's add perspective from that period before he arrived.

169, 230, 178, 282 YPG from 2009-2012. 214.75 YPG average. 2012 year's D was led by the infamous Sal Sunseri, which also led to Dools' firing. Essentially the same average per game including the Sunseri debacle.

That four year period gave the benefit of Eric Berry for one season, 2009, with a real DC in Monte Kiffin. So remove the two outliers - Monte and Sal - and what do you see? Essentially the same as Willie's four seasons.

For additional perspective for the past two seasons...

251, 287 YPG. The later number for this past season was on 476 pass attempts. In 2012 it was on 446. Yet, the completion percentage was lower in Sunseri's 2012 at 61% completed compared to 63.7% for this past season.

So what was the performance of the passing D during the Chavis years as Fulmer was getting toward the end? ESPN's stats go back to 2004

236, 216, 179, 245, 160 YPG from 2004-2008. 219 YPG average. As we know Fulmer was fired in 2008. So pick the worst performance of those five seasons in 2007 and the passing attempts was 466 and completion percentage was 59.4%. 3.2% higher completion percentage on 76 more passing attempts compared to Wille's worst passing yards allowed year in his first stint.

Note that Willie's best season does not approach the better seasons of all of the others shown above which occurred during one of the worst periods in our history.

Second - The development of many of those same CBs he described in #6 occurred in the NFL. The talent was obviously there, so their recruitment made sense in college. If WM recruited them, he deserves credit. The vast majority of those d-backs did not start in their first or second season in the NFL - which is a strong measure for quality development in college. It took several seasons before they saw significant playing time.

If we carry our comparisons over to other SEC elite programs, the measure that actually matters based on our tradition and standing in the CFB world - we suck on D and in passing defense by any measure and generally have on a trendline for the past 20 years. The appropriate measure instead of against our own stats would be against UGA, Bama, LSU and UF. They have won more games and NC's than us by a lot over that period.

So what should the standard be for UT and its defense given our tradition and current offensive performance if indeed we want to win a natty? We know it has not been the performance of the past two seasons. Take it from there.
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I appreciate the numbers. I am someone who is going away from volume stats though. Especially with our offense, volume stats don't mean much anymore, but you did add in the number of pass attempts for comparison.

I don't understand the comparison to Sunseri because in 2012, we gave up 189.3 rushing yards per game, which means Sunseri was just as bad through the air and much worse on the ground. His defense was swiss cheese regardless of the offensive play (worst I have ever seen at UT). Troy rushed for 225 yards that year, so they could do anything they wanted. Vandy rushed for 194 yards. This year we gave up 111.8 yards per game rushing. So, that means our opponents had to pass more because they couldn't run as effectively on top of some being down so quickly.

All that said, I have never said that WM is a great coach. Coaching can be better. But we need better players, too. If people don't want to admit that, then that's on them. Several weeks ago, I posted the difference in talent comparing our secondary with our defensive line. Rodney Garner needs to retire at UT, but it's clear and not debatable that he is working with better talent, or at least based on the recruiting numbers. After my post, some certain poster proceeded to say I had a mental problem. LOL. Sure, maybe we all have a slight difference of opinion about what needs to change, but the numbers are there for everyone to see that our talent is lacking on the backend.

I try to take a methodical approach to much of my posts. Most of the time, I have an opinion and then do the research to confirm it or not. Sometimes, the data doesn't appear to support my opinion, so I don't post it. Not referring to you, but some posters have an opinion and just continue to push that square peg in a round hole without acknowledging the facts. That's not me, and I will back off with those discussions because it's fruitless. It's a message board, and everyone is free to think as they wish, but I am not wasting my time on such thinking.

TL;DR- I acknowledge that the defensive coaching needs improvement, but we also need more dudes in the back 6 as well.
 
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SoilVol said:
We also must consider that we'd like to wait until our high school recruits actually sign before we pick up transfer depth at their positions...
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Bingo---------we have a great shot at Carter and that may go away if we announce a LB from the portal-----------It's probably best to let our coach run this program. I know lots of folks in here are smarter than Heupel but you're not making the final decisions. Carry on britches :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
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pierce60 said:
I think part of the reason we aren’t hearing more about defensive players in the portal is not wanting to spook the incoming freshmen who they really like. Wait til most of them get on campus, especially if they are EE’s, and I think we will start to hear more defensive names.
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This is a big factor in my opinion also.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I think blind nationalism is a bad thing, but I think the vast majority of today's youth are grossly ignorant to the privileges' they have from living in the US.

They need less time on social media and more time traveling. I have quite a few friends/co-workers that are foreign and their world views and thoughts on the US are quite different than these young adults who've never been anywhere outside their own neighborhood.
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They need to see a lot of those privileges as rights.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Y’all act like you go to Leach’s house on Thanksgiving
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