Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XI

[Mike4Vols]

Disagree. Unless you know the terms of the offer, or if there was even an offer, it doesn't reflect poorly on UT. I haven't seen anything that said Hart extended an offer and White said no. All I've seen is that the two sides are talking, and now they're backing away. That could be for dozens of reasons on either side.

A voice of reason? Get that shiz out of here...

 

[Aesius]

Disagree. Unless you know the terms of the offer, or if there was even an offer, it doesn't reflect poorly on UT. I haven't seen anything that said Hart extended an offer and White said no. All I've seen is that the two sides are talking, and now they're backing away. That could be for dozens of reasons on either side.

What actually happened doesn't matter.

The perception is that White, a mid-major coach with three years of experience, was offered the job and turned it down.

That's what gets reported and what other fanbases/recruits pick up on.

 

[Vol knight]

IMO, the best forum on VN is the Recruiting Forum. Just look at the meltdown happening in the BB forum and you'll see why this forum is the best.

 

[Mike4Vols]

What actually happened doesn't matter.

The perception is that White, a mid-major coach with three years of experience, was offered the job and turned it down.

That's what gets reported and what other fanbases/recruits pick up on.

Nobody cares. Really. We'll find our coach and move on.

And nobody will care.

 

[volinexile17]

Word is we couldn't get buyout numbers for both sides right. Not sure whether UT wanted an out for the school but not White or vice versa but I think they hit the salary on the head. I think I remember seeing White wanted 5 years where it'd be hard to fire him and Hart wanted a clear out after 3 and 4.

This could be slightly off

Right. He's an Ole Miss guy, I think. I would think UT fans would be thrilled Hart is making sure he gets the buyout right after Kiffin and Dooley debacles.

 

[OldVol49vfl]

I'm wondering if Cheek is directing Hart on what to do and that Hart is only the messenger boy for him. I have to believe that Hart, being a BB person, would know what it will take to get White for the job. If we do what Cheek wants we might end up with an
assistant coach with no HC experience from a mid-major that will agree to take the job for about $175,000.00 per year. Need to get rid of Cheek. JMO

 

[pierce60]

What actually happened doesn't matter.

The perception is that White, a mid-major coach with three years of experience, was offered the job and turned it down.

That's what gets reported and what other fanbases/recruits pick up on.

I don't really care what other fanbases think or what gets reported...the only people that should even be remotely important in this equation are recruits and I am sure they will hear straight from the source (Hart) that "Coach X" is the right guy for the program. The rest is by and large irrelevant.

 

[OrangeUTopia]

James Franklin is still doing James Franklin things at Penn State:

This seems more appropriate:

 

[ob79]

Disagree. Unless you know the terms of the offer, or if there was even an offer, it doesn't reflect poorly on UT. I haven't seen anything that said Hart extended an offer and White said no. All I've seen is that the two sides are talking, and now they're backing away. That could be for dozens of reasons on either side.

Since when does the court of public opinion need empirical evidence that something has actually occurred to create its own narrative?

I'll bow to the notion that "talks have cooled" and "turned down" are different. One tends to imply that it was a mutual decision, whereas the other does not.

But here's my larger point...

The University of Tennessee has spent at least 3 days, if not more, negotiating with a head coach on the merits of leaving Ruston, LA for Knoxville, TN.

Is it really that tough of a decision and, if so...WHY? Bad PR for UT, either way.

 

[vol2002]

What actually happened doesn't matter.

The perception is that White, a mid-major coach with three years of experience, was offered the job and turned it down.

That's what gets reported and what other fanbases/recruits pick up on.

Only if we don't turn around and make a good hire. If we hire Tyndall and he's a home run hire, any negativity fades quickly. As a fanbase, we focus too much on the immediate perception.

 

[Mike4Vols]

Since when does the court of public opinion need empirical evidence that something has actually occurred to create its own narrative?

I'll bow to the notion that "talks have cooled" and "turned down" are different. One tends to imply that it was a mutual decision, whereas the other does not.

But here's my larger point...

The University of Tennessee has spent at least 3 days, if not more, negotiating with a head coach on the merits of leaving Ruston, LA for Knoxville, TN.

Is it really that tough of a decision and, if so...WHY? Bad PR for UT, either way.

Nobody cares. Really. We'll find our coach and move on.


And nobody will care.

I done gon OCI up in here.

 

[SCvol333]

Nobody cares. Really. We'll find our coach and move on.

And nobody will care.

yep it might give you a black eye for 15 seconds but it is just non-consequential - no program gets who they want 100% of the time - and even if they do its not always the best result

look at USC - they lost out on several candidates and then settled on Pete Carroll who quickly turned them into a juggernaut

with Kiffin they located their number 1 target - took him from a big time program and looked like they had all the street cred in the world - then he imploded

its just so overrated to "get your guy" - you really just need to focus on making sure the one you get is a good coach and not care about any perceived drama

the "right guy" isnt going to say - know Strong passed on the job so I'm not going to take it - the "right guy" will still say yes and take the job so you don't lose anything by going after guys imo

 

[ob79]

Only if we don't turn around and make a good hire. If we hire Tyndall and he's a home run hire, any negativity fades quickly. As a fanbase, we focus too much on the immediate perception.

Quickly? BB doesn't get going for 6 months and next year's team doesn't look great, on paper.

Unless White, Tyndall, or whoever they hire comes in and sets the recruiting world on fire, we have a long road to hoe before this fanbase is sold on the next coach...unless it's homerun, like Gregg Marshall.

 

[ob79]

I done gon OCI up in here.

If what you said was actually true than we'd all be singing Kumbaya after every new coach was hired.

Martin was here for three years and his entire tenure was littered with discussion on whether he was the right coach.

Dooley was her...nah, too easy.


People care. A lot.

 

[SCvol333]

I'm wondering if Cheek is directing Hart on what to do and that Hart is only the messenger boy for him. I have to believe that Hart, being a BB person, would know what it will take to get White for the job. If we do what Cheek wants we might end up with an
assistant coach with no HC experience from a mid-major that will agree to take the job for about $175,000.00 per year. Need to get rid of Cheek. JMO

Tennessee takes step to solve budget problems | College Football

Cheek is not running the show - since Hart has been the man nothing is more clear to me that he is running the show - almost immediately got 6 mil a year back into the AD for the next 3 years - that is 18 million dollars - you don't get that kind of money into the program and out of Cheek's hand if Cheek is running the show

 

[WriterVol]

I don't like saying it, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true. If not for Florida and UGA cancelling each other out, we don't make it in.

We lost to our two biggest rivals, badly. To me, those two losses are what finally opened my eyes to Fulmer's eventual demise. That was a tough pill to swallow for someone who still has his autographed picture on his wall.

However, we played one hell of an SECCG and took the eventual national champ to 00:00. I don't mean to take away from those player's accomplishments, they fought like hell and had the best season we've had in a decade.

A lot of people agree with you.

It just seems like a weird way to phrase things when the team won the SEC East based on a set of criteria that was set long before the season started.

Not a big deal of course. It just bothers me anytime this argument is used. One team met the requirements; the others didn't. It almost seems like an argument against the determining criteria than against the winning team.

Again, no big deal. It just seems a little strange to me.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Discussions cool between Tennessee and Louisiana Tech's Michael White - CBSSports.com

Parrish likes Tyndall better.

Tyndall, 43, has recruited in the SEC as an assistant at LSU, worked in the state of Tennessee as an assistant at Middle Tennessee, flourished in the region as the head coach at Morehead State, and won just as many games (56) the past two seasons at Southern Miss as White has won in the past two seasons at Louisiana Tech. Furthermore, Tyndall is a big personality who has helped increase season-ticket sales at USM. He's twice inherited bad situations (not unlike the current situation at Tennessee), and both times turned things around quickly while winning at an unprecedented level relative to the program for which he was working.

 

[VolGee4]

Maybe you should stop acting like UT is an "Elite" bball school.

It isn't?

I have had multiple discussions on the BB Forum trying to explain to people that our basketball gig is not as good as some think. Yes, it's a solid job. But, it isn't an elite job. If some want to point to Pearl, that is one exception out of the others. Pearl was just special.

 

[VolGee4]

Discussions cool between Tennessee and Louisiana Tech's Michael White - CBSSports.com

Parrish likes Tyndall better.

I try to listen to Parrish's radio show everyday. He said in the middle of last week that Tyndall would be a candidate and probably the new coach. Parrish said that he has all of the traits to lead the program and that he could see him winning in a couple of years. He insinuated that he had a "Pearl" type character.

 

[Aesius]

Nobody cares. Really. We'll find our coach and move on.

And nobody will care.

I agree with you. I'm just saying that the perception RIGHT NOW is that we struck out with White, regardless of what happened behind the scenes. It's a temporary embarrassment. Much like the football coaching search in Dec 2012 and Cuonzo leaving/all the articles blaming UT fans because of the petition.

All will be well if we hire Tyndall. But if we keep striking out and have to settle for a third-tier coach, we might legitimately be in trouble.

 

[SergeantVol]

I try to listen to Parrish's radio show everyday. He said in the middle of last week that Tyndall would be a candidate and probably the new coach. Parrish said that he has all of the traits to lead the program and that he could see him winning in a couple of years. He insinuated that he had a "Pearl" type character.

I am a Tyndall fan. I like what he has done down here in Hattiesburg a.k.a. Tyndall Town.

 

[vol2002]

I try to listen to Parrish's radio show everyday. He said in the middle of last week that Tyndall would be a candidate and probably the new coach. Parrish said that he has all of the traits to lead the program and that he could see him winning in a couple of years. He insinuated that he had a "Pearl" type character.

Nice. I haven't read enough about him. If all of this is true, it might be a blessing in disguise that White turned us down.

 

[Mike4Vols]

If what you said was actually true than we'd all be singing Kumbaya after every new coach was hired.

Martin was here for three years and his entire tenure was littered with discussion on whether he was the right coach.

Dooley was her...nah, too easy.


People care. A lot.

Out of context.

You said other people (i. e. not UT fans and media) cared. They don't. Well ... they may care for a few minutes when it shows up on ESPN.com. But that passes quickly.

Our fan base and media care (as they should). Other fan bases and recruits don't give a ****. Once we select a coach, the search is behind us from a national media/fan perspective. I could give you numerous examples but I have a feeling it wouldn't matter. So I'll save my carpal tunnel.

 

[vol2002]

All will be well if we hire Tyndall. But if we keep striking out and have to settle for a third-tier coach, we might legitimately be in trouble.

I agree with you on this point, but this isn't going to happen. We will get a good coach. Hart doesn't strike me as a guy who will settle for anything less.

 

[Mike4Vols]

Nice. I haven't read enough about him. If all of this is true, it might be a blessing in disguise that White turned us down.

I researched him over the weekend. He has a nice resume and I think he would be a good fit here. Given the age, attitude, and experience, he has a 'Butchesque' feel to him.