Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XI

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Nashvegas31 said:
So if you were a top recruit and a team that is a national title favorite every year with best coach in CFB and churns out NFL picks you wouldn't have them in your top 5 list?

Take the orange shades off. He may have had to cheat early on but at this point he doesn't have to. Staff is stocked full of Thigpen style recruiters.

Tosh lupoi would battle for our top recruiter in staff and he is Director of Easter Basket Weaving at bama
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I hear you. But there are other elite programs and coaches out there. And given the names listed for elite recruiters (Lupoi included) I think there is justification for some suspicion.

Nothing you can say will dissuade me from voicing my suspicion to any and all Bama fans that I regularly interact with. ;-)
 
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vol2002 said:
I hear you. But there are other elite programs and coaches out there. And given the names listed for elite recruiters (Lupoi included) I think there is justification for some suspicion.

Nothing you can say will dissuade me from voicing my suspicion to any and all Bama fans that I regularly interact with. ;-)
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I've never heard anything specifically about Saban - but Kiffin and Lupoi have both had suspicious pasts - makes you wonder why he would bring them on board with their checkered pasts and risk them getting him into trouble with the NCAA

they are gifted recruiters though and he is getting older so maybe he is trying to get people on board who will take more of that over - who knows?
 
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SCvol333 said:
I agree - it just takes hiring the right coach - most people would call Florida an elite program - they had been to the round of 32 3 times and no national titles prior to hiring Donovan

i would argue we have better facilities and fan support than Florida did prior to that hire but it is at least comparable - we just have to get the right guy on board and you can definitely build an elite program at UT
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Agree with everything you say. So are you and others saying that White or Tyndall are good enough to become our Billy D?

Now keep in mind what Billy D is making and that Ron has already said there is no way they would pay a basketball coach more than a football coach.
 
#9,479
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SCvol333 said:
I've never heard anything specifically about Saban - but Kiffin and Lupoi have both had suspicious pasts - makes you wonder why he would bring them on board with their checkered pasts and risk them getting him into trouble with the NCAA

they are gifted recruiters though and he is getting older so maybe he is trying to get people on board who will take more of that over - who knows?
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That's probably true but I also really think Saban feels tremendous pressure to sustain what he's doing. I think he's starting to reach just a little bit bringing those guys in.

Will be interesting to see how their presence affects Saban's tightly controlled team culture. I hope that sense of entitlement that crept in late last year and sank them remains for a while. Followed by heavy NCAA sanctions.
 
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Vols4us said:
Agree with everything you say. So are you and others saying that White or Tyndall are good enough to become our Billy D?

Now keep in mind what Billy D is making and that Ron has already said there is no way they would pay a basketball coach more than a football coach.
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Billy D didn't make $3mil/year until after he won National Championships. I'm sure if a UT BB coach won multiple NC's he would make that kind of money too.

Just like if Butch Jones wins a Natty or two he'll make a lot more than he does now.

I wonder what Billy D's first year salary at UF was? I'm guessing under $1mil/yr.
 
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Bama's roster is just ridiculously loaded. Virtually everyone in their three-deep is a top 100 player.

Their RB corps is particularly nasty. Bo Scarbrough is listed 6th on the depth chart and was rated higher than Hurd in the 2014 class.

Can you imagine a scenario where Hurd arrives in Knoxville and is SIXTH in line to tote the rock?
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Billy D didn't make $3mil/year until after he won National Championships. I'm sure if a UT BB coach won multiple NC's he would make that kind of money too.

Just like if Butch Jones wins a Natty or two he'll make a lot more than he does now.

I wonder what Billy D's first year salary at UF was? I'm guessing under $1mil/yr.
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He was 30 with only 2 years at Marshall. Signed for 5 years $400,000 a year.

Was hired over Tommy Amaker

Uf To Name Marshall's Donovan Basketball Coach - Sun Sentinel
 
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Aesius said:
Bama's roster is just ridiculously loaded. Virtually everyone in their three-deep is a top 100 player.

Their RB corps is particularly nasty. Bo Scarbrough is listed 6th on the depth chart and was rated higher than Hurd in the 2014 class.

Can you imagine a scenario where Hurd arrives in Knoxville and is SIXTH in line to tote the rock?
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Scarborough was also more scrutinized as RB than Hurd. Bo played WR at one of the AA games this year. He was a higher rated ATH but Hurd is a far better RB IMO
 
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OddFuture said:
Scarborough was also more scrutinized as RB than Hurd. Bo played WR at one of the AA games this year. He was a higher rated ATH but Hurd is a far better RB IMO
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Didn't know that.

Still, just goes to show how far we have to go to catch them in overall talent.

We land a top 250 player, they land a top 100. We land a top 100, they land a top 10.

I'm enjoying the ride though. If Butch can get McKenzie, Gibson, Richmond, etc., on board in this class, we'll be well on our way.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Billy D didn't make $3mil/year until after he won National Championships. I'm sure if a UT BB coach won multiple NC's he would make that kind of money too.

Just like if Butch Jones wins a Natty or two he'll make a lot more than he does now.

I wonder what Billy D's first year salary at UF was? I'm guessing under $1mil/yr.
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Probably was. I guess I just don't see the UTAD ever paying a basketball coach more than a football coach like you said. Is that not the case at UF? If whoever they end up with goes out and hits the jackpot, are they going to write the check to keep him like UF has? I am not seeing that kind of demand and adherence to excellence from UT. It always seems to be about managing expectations instead of exceeding them. If Muschamp is mediocre this season he will be gone. We look for reasons and rationalize. JMO and certainly see the other side.
 
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Bama will start losing commits once they lose some games this year. Same thing happened when Auburn and Oklahoma beat them this past season. If we somehow pulled out a win, that would be the end of the Bama momentum
 
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Saban or not, they lost twice last year. 5 star talent 6 deep and they still lost twice.

It's time for our boys to strap on the cleats and get to work. I want them to be Bama while Saban is there and still a "legend" not on the decline.
 
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BigVol80 said:
Saban or not, they lost twice last year. 5 star talent 6 deep and they still lost twice.

It's time for our boys to strap on the cleats and get to work. I want them to be Bama while Saban is there and still a "legend" not on the decline.

This years Superbowl was full of 2 and 3 star talent.
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I honestly think that a feeling of entitlement and complacency will be what ends up getting Alabama and it's stud players.
 
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Maxwell said:
Go talk to Marshall. Pay his price. Sit back and enjoy. This search is nuts. I have spent my last basketball dollar in TBA if White or Tyndall is the best we can do. I have attended many games in SAC and TBA. I've been to many of Mears games and up to the present. I love the Vols. It is starting to hurt too much to watch over and over as incompetent administrators run Tennessee sports into the ground. Even if Jones is successful ( and I will grant he could be ) his hire was dumb luck. Cheek and Hart should be held accountable. We graduate thousands of students from the business school and none are competent to run the university or our athletics ? I do not understand this. We are a laughingstock in the media. Coaches are afraid to come here. We have awesome facilities , yet coaches look at Tennessee as a stepping stone. The athletic department ( much like our government ) has wasted my money. They say that we are not able to hire a quality coach. Sit back and enjoy whatever product we decide to give you. Well no, I have a choice. Put a quality product out there and maybe I will show up again. I'm disabled. Why should I drive 2 and 1/2 hours to a basketball game that lasts 2 hours, and root like my life depends on it, at a top tier facility that I and other fans helped pay for, when we have a mere faint hope for a coach. Hobble back out to the car and drive 2 and 1/2 hours home. I will still root for the Vols. I will listen to the radio or perhaps watch it from the comfort of home. And hopefully our administrators will understand that one empty seat in the stadium is a preview of things to come if they do not pony up the money to put a competitive product on the floor.
I will have my detractors and that is fine with me. I care not. It is my health, my money, my time. I was there when Mears and Pearl won. Also I remember some quality wins with DeVoe and Green. Martin had a few as well. I remember when basketball in the SEC was Kentucky then Tennessee. Alabama started winning. Now it is Florida. Our administrators have watched us slide from second to being irrelevant. That is sad.
I mentioned Marshall at the beginning. He is one man and there are many that could take Tennessee to great heights. If we settle for less we condone what is happening. If we really love Tennessee we help our team by demanding more. The choice is yours. If you want mediocrity then that is your choice. I want to be second and putting up a challenge for first. We have the facilities already. Mears and Pearl have shown us the way. Let us please find a coach to take us to a final four at some point. If you are still reading thank you for listening.
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Bye bye
 
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BigVol80 said:
I agree.

I wonder why a 5 star recruit would want to go to a school to be in the 6 deep when he could start elsewhere in the SEC.
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Because it's just competition. If they're good enough, they'll play. Bama gives players the best chance at a ring right now, and that appeals to high school seniors.
 
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Aesius said:
Can you imagine a scenario where Hurd arrives in Knoxville and is SIXTH in line to tote the rock?
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Can you imagine what scenario would motivate him to be as good as he is and go sit on the end of their bench versus going to another elite program with equal fan support and facilities? I can. $$$$

;-)
 
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