Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XI

[JacketVol]

I don't think we suck as much as you do, we are very young though.

USU, Ark St, UTC, UK, Mizzou and Vandy should all be W's. This is our best chance at beating UF in a very long time, they were terrible last year and have a bunch of new coaches on staff, I think that one should be a W in Knoxville as well. That's 7 wins.

No reason we can't beat Ole Miss or USCjr either, not saying we will but those are winnable games. We likely lose the others, although team 118 came damn close to beating UGA and team 119 will be better so that's winnable also.

Lucky to win 6? Nah. We win less than 7 and I'm going to be disappointed. Just like I was with only 5 wins last year.

And yes, a bowl game is a MUST to keep recruiting rolling. But just 6 wins will make recruiting tougher, this staff needs 7+ to keep the momentum going. JMO

Are you saying Buger sucks really bad?

 

[unioncityvol]

Are you saying Buger sucks really bad?

Are you saying that you agree that Booger sucks?

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

Oh noes...

 

[amazingGRACE]

I disagree about this being our best chance to beat Florida..2012 was the year we should have won.

Not confident we can score with that defense.

 

[JP_UT_O&W]

I disagree about this being our best chance to beat Florida..2012 was the year we should have won.

Not confident we can score with that defense.

That 2012 game was sickening. Campus had an air about it all week long. It was the loudest I had heard Neyland from 2007-2012. Then the 3rd quarter happened and I knew Dooley was done for.

The ushers had to ask us to leave the stadium. We just sat there in disbelief for about 30 minutes after the game.

Then we drank.

 

[CobbVol]

Is there not a thread for Dale Carter's son, Nigel? He is huge legacy opportunity in 2016.

 

[Aesius]

That 2012 game was sickening. Campus had an air about it all week long. It was the loudest I had heard Neyland from 2007-2012. Then the 3rd quarter happened and I knew Dooley was done for.

The ushers had to ask us to leave the stadium. We just sat there in disbelief for about 30 minutes after the game.

Then we drank.

That game made me hate Dooley.

 

[OldVol49vfl]

Dang! My Braves have lost five in a row and 6 out of the last 10. They've been outscored 28 to 9 in the last five games. They need to get back to the batting cage or something. I noticed they've put glasses on a couple of them but it isn't helping either, still can't see to hit!

 

[butchna]

Apparently I support a buyout of all OOC games now, so bring on the NAIA squads...I guess.

Don't know if you misunderstood my post...if so I wasn't painting you with that brush...the commenter probably thought the Oklahoma buyout was a done deal and posted accordingly...sorry if you thought I was targeting you. :hi:

 

[Burger]

Are you saying that you agree that Booger sucks?

In the Lane Kiffin school of PR, I'm a legend apparently.

 

[NashVOL93]

Don't know if you misunderstood my post...if so I wasn't painting you with that brush...the commenter probably thought the Oklahoma buyout was a done deal and posted accordingly...sorry if you thought I was targeting you. :hi:

Haha oh no, you're good man. I thought you might have seen and/or been referring to in the Jeryl Brazil thread where I was informed that I wasn't a true fan (who knew?) and that I would buy out of all our OOC games if I could (learned that about myself as well).

 

[ChattaTNVol]

We've been discussing along with the rest of the world the situation with our lines. Some are more concerned with our offensive line and some are more concerned with our defensive line. We essentially lost all starters on both lines and sometimes it's difficult for me to get a feel for which side of the ball generates the most concern. Obviously, there are legitimate concerns for both as we don't really know how either will stack up this year but I have hope for both and I've noted such regarding the offensive line in prior posts. This post is to show our rushing defensive statistics since 2007 and pose the question, does anyone really think we'll be worse off with a almost entirely new front seven this year?

Year #Games Att-Yds Avg
2007 14 545-2305 4.23
2008 12 444-1237 2.79
2009 13 460-1943 4.22
2010 13 474-1983 4.18
2011 12 445-1952 4.39
2012 12 477-2266 4.75
2013 12 473-2488 5.26

It looks to me like those 5 seniors and our linebackers last year didn't even measure up to the Sunseri run defense. We had the poorest performance for the entire period of 7 years. Will it be worse this year? I have serious doubts. I think we'll be substantially better on defense this year and especially against the run, statistically speaking. I also expect improvement in our back end so overall I think we should at least get back to the upper half of the conference as far as defense goes.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

We've been discussing along with the rest of the world the situation with our lines. Some are more concerned with our offensive line and some are more concerned with our defensive line. We essentially lost all starters on both lines and sometimes it's difficult for me to get a feel for which side of the ball generates the most concern. Obviously, there are legitimate concerns for both as we don't really know how either will stack up this year but I have hope for both and I've noted such regarding the offensive line in prior posts. This post is to show our rushing defensive statistics since 2007 and pose the question, does anyone really think we'll be worse off with a almost entirely new front seven this year?

Year #Games Att-Yds Avg
2007 14 545-2305 4.23
2008 12 444-1237 2.79
2009 13 460-1943 4.22
2010 13 474-1983 4.18
2011 12 445-1952 4.39
2012 12 477-2266 4.75
2013 12 473-2488 5.26

It looks to me like those 5 seniors and our linebackers last year didn't even measure up to the Sunseri run defense. We had the poorest performance for the entire period of 7 years. Will it be worse this year? I have serious doubts. I think we'll be substantially better on defense this year and especially against the run, statistically speaking. I also expect improvement in our back end so overall I think we should at least get back to the upper half of the conference as far as defense goes.

Great info. Good post :hi:

 

[Vols4us]

We've been discussing along with the rest of the world the situation with our lines. Some are more concerned with our offensive line and some are more concerned with our defensive line. We essentially lost all starters on both lines and sometimes it's difficult for me to get a feel for which side of the ball generates the most concern. Obviously, there are legitimate concerns for both as we don't really know how either will stack up this year but I have hope for both and I've noted such regarding the offensive line in prior posts. This post is to show our rushing defensive statistics since 2007 and pose the question, does anyone really think we'll be worse off with a almost entirely new front seven this year?

Year #Games Att-Yds Avg
2007 14 545-2305 4.23
2008 12 444-1237 2.79
2009 13 460-1943 4.22
2010 13 474-1983 4.18
2011 12 445-1952 4.39
2012 12 477-2266 4.75
2013 12 473-2488 5.26

It looks to me like those 5 seniors and our linebackers last year didn't even measure up to the Sunseri run defense. We had the poorest performance for the entire period of 7 years. Will it be worse this year? I have serious doubts. I think we'll be substantially better on defense this year and especially against the run, statistically speaking. I also expect improvement in our back end so overall I think we should at least get back to the upper half of the conference as far as defense goes.

Love it when somebody posts stats to support a statement. Well done. We do have one LB back in the front seven on D - who was probably primarily responsible for holding the number in 2013 to what it was. He (AJ) has limitations on what he can do and how he does it, however, he does get to the ball. Otherwise it may have been even worse. Which has been mine and a few others' position on the D for next season. There are several sources for data to make an argument. I tend to use the one below the most for macro analysis. Some folks may want to save the link.

FBS Football Statistics - NCAA.com

With Saulsberry back and if he stays healthy, you know that at least half of the snaps on D will have a proven performer at one DT. With O'Brien, Williams, and any others they designate from the current roster you will have experience in playing DT. Part of the time depending on the call, Jordan Williams will be their Corey Miller - who actually played better than most will give him credit for doing. Add in the young studs coming in and who emerges as ready to play some snaps. The DE's are taken care of, especially when Vereen and Maggitt are handling it. Add in Hendrix, Johnson and Henderson in development. Add in much better LB play with much more talent in development.

I do not see any way the D is worse than last season. I see it needing some early games to get its act together and for the coaches to decide who is most ready to play of the young guns. As the season rolls on I see them getting better as a unit unless injuries just get ridiculous.

 

[Vol464]

Haha oh no, you're good man. I thought you might have seen and/or been referring to in the Jeryl Brazil thread where I was informed that I wasn't a true fan (who knew?) and that I would buy out of all our OOC games if I could (learned that about myself as well).

First step is admitting you have an issue. lol:

 

[rekinhavoc]

We've been discussing along with the rest of the world the situation with our lines. Some are more concerned with our offensive line and some are more concerned with our defensive line. We essentially lost all starters on both lines and sometimes it's difficult for me to get a feel for which side of the ball generates the most concern. Obviously, there are legitimate concerns for both as we don't really know how either will stack up this year but I have hope for both and I've noted such regarding the offensive line in prior posts. This post is to show our rushing defensive statistics since 2007 and pose the question, does anyone really think we'll be worse off with a almost entirely new front seven this year?

Year #Games Att-Yds Avg
2007 14 545-2305 4.23
2008 12 444-1237 2.79
2009 13 460-1943 4.22
2010 13 474-1983 4.18
2011 12 445-1952 4.39
2012 12 477-2266 4.75
2013 12 473-2488 5.26

It looks to me like those 5 seniors and our linebackers last year didn't even measure up to the Sunseri run defense. We had the poorest performance for the entire period of 7 years. Will it be worse this year? I have serious doubts. I think we'll be substantially better on defense this year and especially against the run, statistically speaking. I also expect improvement in our back end so overall I think we should at least get back to the upper half of the conference as far as defense goes.

Offense did not help . Too many three and outs. Those guys had to be gassed and discouraged at times.

I also expect improvement. Offense is going to take a giant leap forward imo. Team speed is improving. Maggitt and Vereen are going to be disruptive. Sutton is going to get some help. JRM is going to be on the field .

The glass is definitely half full and rising.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Good morning clowns and jokers

Just wanted to drop in and say, this place is going to be fun to be around in about three years.

Later, red bammers

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Love it when somebody posts stats to support a statement. Well done. We do have one LB back in the front seven on D - who was probably primarily responsible for holding the number in 2013 to what it was. He (AJ) has limitations on what he can do and how he does it, however, he does get to the ball. Otherwise it may have been even worse. Which has been mine and a few others' position on the D for next season. There are several sources for data to make an argument. I tend to use the one below the most for macro analysis. Some folks may want to save the link.

FBS Football Statistics - NCAA.com

With Saulsberry back and if he stays healthy, you know that at least half of the snaps on D will have a proven performer at one DT. With O'Brien, Williams, and any others they designate from the current roster you will have experience in playing DT. Part of the time depending on the call, Jordan Williams will be their Corey Miller - who actually played better than most will give him credit for doing. Add in the young studs coming in and who emerges as ready to play some snaps. The DE's are taken care of, especially when Vereen and Maggitt are handling it. Add in Hendrix, Johnson and Henderson in development. Add in much better LB play with much more talent in development.

I do not see any way the D is worse than last season. I see it needing some early games to get its act together and for the coaches to decide who is most ready to play of the young guns. As the season rolls on I see them getting better as a unit unless injuries just get ridiculous.

As you note there are a number of sources for data; I mostly use cfbstats.com - College Football Statistics and UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics - Football. There is as you note the NCAA site (which I think is unnecessarily cumbersome and ESPN has some somewhat interesting stats and analysis).

Sometimes stats can be misused or leave the wrong impression. For example, our passing defense was #7 in the conference last year in yards/game. We were #4 in completion percentage against us. We were #3 in total yards given up to the pass for the season. Of course we played fewer games than some but we were also #3 in fewest pass attempts against us. Where we sucked on pass defense in comparison was we fell to #9 in yards per attempt. Teams didn't often pass on us but when they did they apparently picked on our safeties.

Year #Gms Comp/ATT % Yds YPA YPG
2007 14 291-491 59.3% 3341 6.8 238.6
2008 12 186-332 56.0% 1925 5.8 160.4
2009 13 219-392 55.9% 2201 5.6 169.3
2010 13 252-489 57.4% 2985 6.8 229.6
2011 12 178-307 58.0% 2134 7.0 177.8
2012 12 272-446 61.0% 3390 7.6 282.5
2013 12 200-354 56.5% 2533 7.2 211.1

I would argue that the improvement in our secondary from '12 to '13 was largely due to the addition of Sutton, a freshman. I'm looking forward to the arrival of more freshmen defensive backs this summer.

 

[RikidyBones]

Dang! My Braves have lost five in a row and 6 out of the last 10. They've been outscored 28 to 9 in the last five games. They need to get back to the batting cage or something. I noticed they've put glasses on a couple of them but it isn't helping either, still can't see to hit!

Go marlins lol

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Offense did not help . Too many three and outs. Those guys had to be gassed and discouraged at times.

I also expect improvement. Offense is going to take a giant leap forward imo. Team speed is improving. Maggitt and Vereen are going to be disruptive. Sutton is going to get some help. JRM is going to be on the field .

The glass is definitely half full and rising.

I agree plus we threw more interceptions than any other year in the last 7 years.

3rd down conversions
Year 3rdC 3rdA %
2007 81-202 40.10%
2008 58-167 34.73%
2009 70-176 39.77%
2010 69-189 36.51%
2011 70-171 40.94%
2012 62-166 37.35%
2013 57-159 35.85%

Ain't nowhere to go but up. jmo.

 

[JacketVol]

Dang! My Braves have lost five in a row and 6 out of the last 10. They've been outscored 28 to 9 in the last five games. They need to get back to the batting cage or something. I noticed they've put glasses on a couple of them but it isn't helping either, still can't see to hit!

Perhaps they all need glasses. B.J. has started hitting better since he did that and took some lessons from Chipper.

 

[JacketVol]

in the lane kiffin school of pr, i'm a legend apparently.

 

[JacketVol]

We've been discussing along with the rest of the world the situation with our lines. Some are more concerned with our offensive line and some are more concerned with our defensive line. We essentially lost all starters on both lines and sometimes it's difficult for me to get a feel for which side of the ball generates the most concern. Obviously, there are legitimate concerns for both as we don't really know how either will stack up this year but I have hope for both and I've noted such regarding the offensive line in prior posts. This post is to show our rushing defensive statistics since 2007 and pose the question, does anyone really think we'll be worse off with a almost entirely new front seven this year?

Year #Games Att-Yds Avg
2007 14 545-2305 4.23
2008 12 444-1237 2.79
2009 13 460-1943 4.22
2010 13 474-1983 4.18
2011 12 445-1952 4.39
2012 12 477-2266 4.75
2013 12 473-2488 5.26

It looks to me like those 5 seniors and our linebackers last year didn't even measure up to the Sunseri run defense. We had the poorest performance for the entire period of 7 years. Will it be worse this year? I have serious doubts. I think we'll be substantially better on defense this year and especially against the run, statistically speaking. I also expect improvement in our back end so overall I think we should at least get back to the upper half of the conference as far as defense goes.

Thanks for posting. Great info

 

[qwerty]

I agree plus we threw more interceptions than any other year in the last 7 years.

3rd down conversions
Year 3rdC 3rdA %
2007 81-202 40.10%
2008 58-167 34.73%
2009 70-176 39.77%
2010 69-189 36.51%
2011 70-171 40.94%
2012 62-166 37.35%
2013 57-159 35.85%

Ain't nowhere to go but up. jmo.

It would be helpful to know the average third down distance to go for those years...doubt that info is out there though.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

It would be helpful to know the average third down distance to go for those years...doubt that info is out there though.

Inches.