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The OL is going to have issues, regardless of how comparably talented each individual is on the line (compared to last year's). Learning to work together as one unit is a trait that is forged by becoming more and more battle-tested. However, having a Senior QB who is familiar with the offense, a OC who can open up the playbook more, and a fast-paced offense will mitigate some of the deficiencies on the line...not all, but some.

Worley is the key, IMO. If he can make the pre-snap and moving-coverage reads effectively, hit his intended target, or even audible based on the defense, it will mask a lot of the OL's shortcomings.

I don't know about "all-time bad"...let's not forget why Tyler Bray took over. Matt Simms was basically a tackling dummy during his time under center...and that OL was the very same one that just left.
 
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The OL is going to have issues, regardless of how comparably talented each individual is on the line (compared to last year's). Learning to work together as one unit is a trait that is forged by becoming more and more battle-tested. However, having a Senior QB who is familiar with the offense, a OC who can open up the playbook more, and a fast-paced offense will mitigate some of the deficiencies on the line...not all, but some.

Worley is the key, IMO. If he can make the pre-snap and moving-coverage reads effectively, hit his intended target, or even audible based on the defense, it will mask a lot of the OL's shortcomings.

I don't know about "all-time bad"...let's not forget why Tyler Bray took over. Matt Simms was basically a tackling dummy during his time under center...and that OL was the very same one that just left.

Good post. Exactly how I see it and hope it goes down. As the year moves along they will begin to perform better as a unit. Some intelligent, hard working guys in that group.
 
Do you know their year of eligibility? I know JJ's and Thomas was a Jr. I thought Stone started at OG for some reason.

If I remember correctly, Pope suffered a season ending injury early in the year and Stone took over the starting center spot. Schofield missed some games with an injury as well so Shaw moved to LG and Fulton started at RG during the middle of the year.
 
James was a freshman. He did exactly what it sounds like Coleman Thomas will do- was an EE that starts as a true freshman.

I know JJ was a FR. Sorry, should have put a comma after my comment before saying Thomas' year. Forgot Thomas was a Soph. That line was younger than this year's! Wow!
 
If I remember correctly, Pope suffered a season ending injury early in the year and Stone took over the starting center spot. Schofield missed some games with an injury as well so Shaw moved to LG and Fulton started at RG during the middle of the year.

That's right! Dooley kept basically calling Pope a pansy...needs to eat more steak, etc. Dooley said it was a stinger, but cost him the whole season. DD publicly humiliated Pope multiple times...man, I'm glad he's gone. So, we ended up having 3 true FR and a Soph starting. Doesn't make this year's line look as bad.
 
Good post. Exactly how I see it and hope it goes down. As the year moves along they will begin to perform better as a unit. Some intelligent, hard working guys in that group.

I'm somewhat disappointed that Weisman hasn't made more of a push for a starting position. From everything I have heard and read, he was country boy strong and played with a nasty streak a mile wide. I love that in a lineman.
 
2013 record:
8-5
Returning starters:
O-5, D-8, S-3
Avg. Pts per game:
29.2
Avg. Pts allowed:
26.2
STRENGTHS
Considering the Redwolves are bringing back nearly everyone in their two-deep at the second and third level there's no doubt that the strength of Arkansas State is the linebacking corps and secondary.

Arkansas State deploys a multiple-look defense that will utilize 4-3, 3-3-5 and 4-2-5 schemes. The leader of the unit is senior middle linebacker Qushaun Lee (5-foot-11, 225-pounds). He racked up 134 total tackles last year along with 6.0 tackles for loss, an interception and two forced fumbles.

Stats National Rank
Rushing offense 24 (205.7 YPG)
Rushing defense 80 (180.2 YPG)
Penalties per game 106 (7.23 PPG)
Kickoff returns 6 (25.18 per return) Lee is joined at the second level by Xavier Woodson (6-1, 214) who finished with 32 tackles. Only linebacker Kyle Coleman, who transferred to Arkansas Pine-Bluff to play for his father, isn't returning in the linebacking corps and secondary.

The defensive backfield literally brings everyone back and is led by senior safety Sterling Young (6-2, 193) and junior rover, a linebacker/safety hybrid, Chris Humes (5-11, 207).

The unit wasn't spectacular, giving up an average of 232 passing yards a game while opposing quarterbacks had an average of a 125.02 passing rating, nonetheless the unit will return everyone that mattered from a season ago and has depth to go along with it.

WEAKNESSES
On both sides of the ball Arkansas State will have to replace numerous starters and impact players on the line of scrimmage.

On the offensive line Arkansas State will return only two players with starting experience after losing several offensive line starters to graduation and All-Sun Belt Conference second team center Bryce Giddens chose to not continue his career due to concussions.

2014 Schedule
8/30 vs. Montana State
9/06 @ Tennessee
9/13 @ Miami
9/20 vs. Utah State
10/04 vs. Lousiana-Monroe
10/11 @ Georgia State
10/21 @ Lousiana-Lafayette
11/01 @ Idaho
11/08 vs. South Alabama
11/15 vs. Appalachian State
11/20 @ Texas State
11/29 vs. New Mexico State Arkansas State returns Colton Jackson, who started all 13 games last season at right tackle, and senior guard Alan Wright, who has 10 career starts along the offensive line, but he only started three games last season. And that's it.

Arkansas State will be using a lot of fall camp to find replacements for most of their offensive line throughout fall camp.

The story is similar on the defensive side of the ball. Gone is top defensive lineman Ryan Carrethers and his 93 tackles and four sacks.

Arkansas State will return two starting defensive linemen in end Chris Stone (6-3, 252) and tackle Dexter Blackmon (6-4, 286).

Freshmen and junior college transfers will be asked to play immediately for the Redwolves as only sophomore end Chris Odom (6-3, 234) and sophomore tackle Darrius Rosser (6-3, 284) return to the rotation besides the two starters.

But, the lack of depth is just the one of the of the problems along the defensive front. Last year's defense gave up an average of194 yards per game on the ground and that included two games where they gave up more than 300 rushing yards.

KEY PLAYER
As Arkansas State adjusts to a new, full-time quarterback and a new offensive line, they will be carried by two skill players; wide receiver, wildcat quarterback and return specialist J.D. McKissic (5-11, 193) as well as leading rusher Michael Gordon (5-9, 187).

McKissic was one of the best all-purpose players in the Sun Belt last season putting up 1,575 all purpose yards and scoring six total touchdowns, four receiving, one rushing and one kick return.

The redshirt junior had an even more impressive freshman campaign when he set a school record with 103 catches for 1,022 yards. Look for the Redwolves to get the ball in McKissic's hands in as many ways as possible, whether it's different screens, sweeps, direct snaps or downfield throws.

The last few seasons Gordon had been thought of as the change-of-pace back and last year he had only the third most carries on the team but led the squad in rushing with 779 yards. his 6.7 yards per carry average was one of the highest in the nation for players with more than 100 attempts.

Like McKissic, Gordon, who scored 10 rushing touchdowns last season and added one through the air, will be given the ball in numerous ways. Last season Gordon was deadly on sweeps and end-arounds but also showed good burst from the traditional running back spot.

With a new starter being broken in as Fredi Knighten (5-11, 189) takes over full time, he did rush for 347 yards and five touchdowns in spot-duty last season, both McKissic and Gordon will be asked to carry the offensive load early and often.

ONE MAN'S VERY EARLY TAKE
The big question for this Arkansas State team is can the lines of scrimmage hold up? They are replacing majority of the offensive line as well as two of its three best defensive linemen with very little experience help on the way. Sound familiar?

The Redwolves do have some very talented skill guys in McKissic and Gordon, but they will be asked to do a lot for this team as there really isn't anyone else at running back or wide receiver that has shown they can be a playmaker up to now.

Looking specifically at the Tennessee matchup, you'd have to think this is a game that should be a good test for Tennessee with the fact that both teams will be looking to solidify their line play. But, Tennessee is much bigger on both sides of the ball and you'd think more talented as well.

While there's been a lot of talk about how experienced Arkansas State's secondary is, they weren't great by any means. They didn't turn teams over very much, only recording seven interceptions, but they are deep.

Tennessee's skill guys will definitely test the secondary of Arkansas State and if the Vols offensive line can begin to gel it's hard not to imagine Tennessee scoring some points on a defense that gave up more than 30 points to half of its opponents.

Arkansas State may be able to put up some points on the Vols as well, with the way the team has struggled with running quarterbacks in the past and Knighten will do a lot of running.

But, Tennessee's young speed and athleticism should help in a game like this and it's hard not to believe the Vols will be double-digit winners in this one, even though it could be close at times.
-VolQuest.com
 
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Article on VQ..... Breakdown of Arkansas St

First off, Arkansas St uses up to 3 different scheme formations on defense. They will run a 4-3, 3-3-5, and a 4-2-5. They are led on defense by their MLB Qushaun Lee. He had 134 tackles last year. They also return Xavier Woodson at OLB. They did lose a starting LB from a year ago due to transfer.

They bring back everybody in the secondary from a year ago. Not sure that's a good thing though. Last year, opposing QBs averaged 232 yards per game and also averaged a 125.0 QB rating. They are led in the secondary by senior safety, Sterling Humes.

On the DL, gone is Ryan Carrethers who notched 93 tackles and 4 sacks. They bring back 2 guys on the DL with experience, Chris Stone (6'3 252) and Dexter Blackmon (6'4 286). Freshmen and Jucos will be forced to step up.

On the OL, they only return 2 guys on the roster with actual game experience. Their 2nd team All Conference Center, Bryce Giddens, had to quit football altogether due to concussions. Their main guy on the OL is Colton Jackson at RT.

Arkansas State will have to adjust to a new QB and a new OL. On offense they are led by WR/wildcat/return man J.D. McKissic and their leading rusher from a year ago, Michael Gordon. Both guys will get touches in numerous ways... End arounds, fly sweeps, screens, and direct snaps.

The new QB, Fredi Knighten (5'11 189 lbs) was a backup last year. He rushed for nearly 350 yards and 5 TDs in spot-duty.

McKissic and Gordon will carry the load offensively. McKissic had over 1500 all purpose yards last year. And as a freshman, he tallied 100+ catches for over 1,000 yards. On the other hand, Gordon, had 779 yards rushing last year. He averaged 6.7 ypc.

Last year's defense for the Redwolves, gave up 194 yards on the ground per game. Also, 2 different teams went over the 300 yard mark on the ground against them. They aren't that disciplined either. They average over 7 penalties as a game.

Edit.... Damn I typed all that for nothing lol thanks Flowd
 
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A discussion that needs to be had on this board.

Won't speak for Petty, but Boyd would have never saw the field over Bray. Chad Morris did an excellent job of masking Boyd's deficiencies. It also helps when you have Sammy, Hopkins, and Bryant to throw the ball to.
 
Won't speak for Petty, but Boyd would have never saw the field over Bray. Chad Morris did an excellent job of masking Boyd's deficiencies. It also helps when you have Sammy, Hopkins, and Bryant to throw the ball to.

Let's not ignore the fact that, while Bray was (is) enormously talented, his leadership and maturity were conversely equaled.

Two hypothetical situations I would liked to have seen:

Jones' handling of Bray and his subsequent development under a competent HC.

Keeping Boyd's commitment and having the two compete for the starting spot.

Boyd was no slouch, he would have given Bray all that he could handle and then some. And even though he had Watkins, WE had CP...
 
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I'm expecting it to be rough personally. I was calling 35+ sacks allowed after spring practice. Might back off that number some now, but not much. A key injury or two and that position gets ugly quick. Gotta keep recruiting.

Still think our improved skill players will help us overcome some of the OL shortcomings by grabbing a few more big splash plays. I'm optimistic we win 6 or 7 games, despite the OL.

Because we'll probably struggle early on at OT, I expect to see 3 things emphasized in our offense this season more than last.

1. Tempo. If Blair as Thomas are in exceptional shape, we can make up for some of their deficiencies by pressing the tempo and trying to outgas our opponents.

2. Short game. Quick, short passes to playmakers like VP, Malone, North, Hurd, etc. this can basically take pass rushing DEs out of the game if we can get consistent production on these plays. Additionally this could frustrate and/or tire out DEs if we're pressing tempo.

3. TE help. We have better depth and talent at TE this season. Whether because of injury or just lack I talent, Downs wasn't able to make much of an impact blocking last season. However Wolf has the size and strength to make more of an impact lending a hand blocking as well as the versatility to split out occasionally if we're pressing tempo and think we have a mismatch.

I don't expect us to be great at OT this season, but I do think we hae the skill players to scheme to compensate a bit for our OTs
 
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Won't speak for Petty, but Boyd would have never saw the field over Bray. Chad Morris did an excellent job of masking Boyd's deficiencies. It also helps when you have Sammy, Hopkins, and Bryant to throw the ball to.

Yessir. :hi::hi:
 
Their is a difference some times between being country strong and weight lifting strong.I have lifted on and off for the better part of 30 yrs.My younger brother by 2 yrs has never lifted a weight a day in his life.But I promise you he can more than hold his own with me or any other weight lifter.He's worked on our family farm his entire life.So maybe Coleman is just country strong right now.

This is so true. We had a basketball player in high school who looked like he lifted all the time but he never touched a weight. He went out for football one year and in the first practice he hit so hard he hurt 3 people and by the end of practice people were avoiding him. He walked off and did not come back because he hated hurting people. Once in the locker room we jokingly asked him to hit one of the old steel lockers back in place. It had jutted out for years and we had all tried everything to get it back. Guys that were upper classmen and appeared much stronger than him had tried. He just stuck his palm up and whacked it good and we all just kind of stood and looked on in amazement. It was back in place and stayed there for at least the next 3 years.
 
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I'm somewhat disappointed that Weisman hasn't made more of a push for a starting position. From everything I have heard and read, he was country boy strong and played with a nasty streak a mile wide. I love that in a lineman.

Fall practice had not yet started. Lets see what happens during the next 4 weeks before we freak out.
 
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