Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XIV

[jave36]

Speaking of cutting and macros, I had Cookout for the first time on West End in Nashville tonight. Their burgers are pretty good, but I don't get the hype.

Per dollar it's an amazing food joint. Hot dogs and burgers are the best you can get for the money, but definitely not the best you can get. At least that's how it was when I lived in NC. $4 meal was better than any other $4 meal out there. Man I miss that place.

 

[Aesius]

Per dollar it's an amazing food joint. Hot dogs and burgers are the best you can get for the money, but definitely not the best you can get. At least that's how it was when I lived in NC. $4 meal was better than any other $4 meal out there. Man I miss that place.

Yeah, the price wasn't bad, although the meal deal is $5 here (plus another 50 cents to put cheese on the burger).

Certainly better than McDonald's or Wendy's, that's for sure. Still like Steak and Shake or In-N-Out burgers better for fast food, though.

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

A copy of Lattimore's letter. Class act.

Lattimore is a class act...I wish nothing but the best for him. He always seemed like a great kid and I'm sure God has big things in store for him. Best of luck to the young man and may he live a fulfilled life.

 

[jave36]

Yeah, the price wasn't bad, although the meal deal is $5 here (plus another 50 cents to put cheese on the burger).

Certainly better than McDonald's or Wendy's, that's for sure. Still like Steak and Shake or In-N-Out burgers better for fast food, though.

Oh ya, definitely not in that league, although steak n shake fries are gross. If you ever see a freddys try that, better than steak n shake but similar.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

6 month cut??? Wow

What are your macros like during the cut? Reverse diet at all?

Yeah, it sucked, but my BF% was around 17%, and I wanted 8%. I hit 8.45%.

I used LeanGains protocol with Reverse Pyramid Training in the gym. So macros were

50/30/20 CPF on weight days
20/45/35 on off days

Always fasting till after workouts

 

[volstopfan14]

Is there a reason the SECN Film Room with Butch/Bajakian/Dobbs is not on right now? The schedule says 1:00 am est.

 

[I4Jay]

Nick, daily calories?

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Nick, daily calories?

Depended on my TDEE at the time because I adjusted along the way, but I did +10% or maintainence on weight days
-30% on off days

Very minimal cardio. Target was about 1 lb loss per week. Preserved LBM very well till I hurt my back on deadlifts in April, then had to go light for a month. That hit hard

 

[Aesius]

Interesting info from ESPN.

According to their stats, we have the 11th best chance of any team of winning out at 35.4% chance. They also predict us finishing 6-6, and we rank #33 in their FPI (basically their version of Sagarin ratings).

Interestingly, South Carolina is one spot ahead at 31, Missouri is at #37, Kentucky at #46, and Vanderbilt #92.

Also, Missouri has only a 0.5% chance of winning out and the 5th hardest schedule in the country remaining, Kentucky has a 1.9% chance of winning out and the 7th hardest schedule (and is predicted to finish 5-7), and Vanderbilt has the 92nd hardest schedule but is still predicted to go 3-9 with 0% chance of winning out.

In other words: According to ESPN, we're slightly better than Missouri, a little better than Kentucky, vastly better than Vanderbilt, and have a much higher shot of winning out than all three of those teams combined.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Interesting info from ESPN.

According to their stats, we have the 11th best chance of any team of winning out at 35.4% chance. They also predict us finishing 6-6, and we rank #33 in their FPI (basically their version of Sagarin ratings).

Interestingly, South Carolina is one spot ahead at 31, Missouri is at #37, Kentucky at #46, and Vanderbilt #92.

Also, Missouri has only a 0.5% chance of winning out and the 5th hardest schedule in the country remaining, Kentucky has a 1.9% chance of winning out and the 7th hardest schedule (and is predicted to finish 5-7), and Vanderbilt has the 92nd hardest schedule but is still predicted to go 3-9 with 0% chance of winning out.

In other words: According to ESPN, we're slightly better than Missouri, a little better than Kentucky, vastly better than Vanderbilt, and have a much higher shot of winning out than all three of those teams combined.

Mizzou game still worries me a bit. Their offense doesn't concern me, but we have to be sharp on offense. Neyland gives us the edge, IMO.

 

[Aesius]

Mizzou game still worries me a bit. Their offense doesn't concern me, but we have to be sharp on offense. Neyland gives us the edge, IMO.

Agreed, but I think winning the South Carolina game was a much bigger test. If the team pulls out a win against Kentucky, I have no doubt we will win out. Confidence will be sky high and Missouri will be the last chance to possibly to knock off a ranked team.

I think the team is going to play exceptionally hard in these last three games to finish strong. Beating South Carolina changed everything.

 

[TrueOrange]

Agreed, but I think winning the South Carolina game was a much bigger test. If the team pulls out a win against Kentucky, I have no doubt we will win out. Confidence will be sky high and Missouri will be the last chance to possibly to knock off a ranked team.

I think the team is going to play exceptionally hard in these last three games to finish strong. Beating South Carolina changed everything.

Not sure whether or not that's true. As far as success in a possibly hostile environment, yes.

As far as how that team's playing...well we might have just played the worst defense we'll see all season.

They rank #119 in sacks, having only sacked the QB 8 total times in 9 games. (And 1 of those was against Furman, so 7 total in 8 FBS games).

Their defense has given up about 307 points in 9 games (allowing 39 TDs). While this averages to only 34.1 pts/game, if you take out their game against Furman, it turns into 37 pts/game against FBS teams; just looking at SEC opponents, it turns into almost 40 pts/game allowed in 7 games.

(To be fair, removing the A&M's game doesn't help to much: they'd still be giving up about 35 pts/game against their 7 other FBS opponents and 37 pts/game against the 6 other SEC teams.)

They rank #111 in rushing defense, having given up 2011 yards on 341 carries in 9 games, giving up about a 6 yards/rush average and 223.4 rushing yards/game (about 225 y/g to FBS teams; 238.3 y/g against Power 5/SEC opponents alone)

Their passing defense ranks #74 overall, giving up 237.1 y/g, with 2134 yards and 12 TDs given up over 9 games, while giving up an average completion yardage of about 11 yards (and again, removing the Furman game it jumps up to 255.4 y/g against FBS teams)

Their total defense ranks #104 overall, giving up around 460.6 y/g and again 39 TDs and 4145 yards across 632 plays. (And taking out Furman's 302 total yards, it becomes 480 y/g against FBS opponents; 484.3 y/g against SEC teams).

I'm glad the offense performed as well as they did...but at the same time, it almost looks like they really should have against this defense.

I'm not sure how much of a test this actually was - opponent caliber/ability wise - for them on that side of the ball.

(Edit: Turns out they also are #102 in turnovers, only forcing 5 fumbles and 5 INTs in 9 games on the year...and only 8 from just FBS teams; 6 total if we're just looking at their SEC games.)

 

[TrueOrange]

That said, their offense statistically has been pretty outstanding (they average about 36 pts per game and are 23rd in total offense with 480 y/g).

So it was a great test for the offense to be in a game where they had to score so many points to actually win a close game!

It's just that the defense they were against probably could have been allowed to use shotguns and they still would have lost.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Mizzou game still worries me a bit. Their offense doesn't concern me, but we have to be sharp on offense. Neyland gives us the edge, IMO.

I hear ya. UK and Mizzou are not teams to sleep on. We are playing much better and I think as long as we play disciplined football and the D tightens up we should win out.

 

[chavisut]

Yeah, it sucked, but my BF% was around 17%, and I wanted 8%. I hit 8.45%.

I used LeanGains protocol with Reverse Pyramid Training in the gym. So macros were

50/30/20 CPF on weight days
20/45/35 on off days

Always fasting till after workouts

What was your starting weight? You're in the 150s @ 5'10 now right?

I'm currently doing GSLP. Trying to get my lifts up.

 

[unioncityvol]

Not sure whether or not that's true. As far as success in a possibly hostile environment, yes.

As far as how that team's playing...well we might have just played the worst defense we'll see all season.

They rank #119 in sacks, having only sacked the QB 8 total times in 9 games. (And 1 of those was against Furman, so 7 total in 8 FBS games).

Their defense has given up about 307 points in 9 games (allowing 39 TDs). While this averages to only 34.1 pts/game, if you take out their game against Furman, it turns into 37 pts/game against FBS teams; just looking at SEC opponents, it turns into almost 40 pts/game allowed in 7 games.

(To be fair, removing the A&M's game doesn't help to much: they'd still be giving up about 35 pts/game against their 7 other FBS opponents and 37 pts/game against the 6 other SEC teams.)

They rank #111 in rushing defense, having given up 2011 yards on 341 carries in 9 games, giving up about a 6 yards/rush average and 223.4 rushing yards/game (about 225 y/g to FBS teams; 238.3 y/g against Power 5/SEC opponents alone)

Their passing defense ranks #74 overall, giving up 237.1 y/g, with 2134 yards and 12 TDs given up over 9 games, while giving up an average completion yardage of about 11 yards (and again, removing the Furman game it jumps up to 255.4 y/g against FBS teams)

Their total defense ranks #104 overall, giving up around 460.6 y/g and again 39 TDs and 4145 yards across 632 plays. (And taking out Furman's 302 total yards, it becomes 480 y/g against FBS opponents; 484.3 y/g against SEC teams).

I'm glad the offense performed as well as they did...but at the same time, it almost looks like they really should have against this defense.

I'm not sure how much of a test this actually was - opponent caliber/ability wise - for them on that side of the ball.

(Edit: Turns out they also are #102 in turnovers, only forcing 5 fumbles and 5 INTs in 9 games on the year...and only 8 from just FBS teams; 6 total if we're just looking at their SEC games.)

Bama's D tho. It's a Dobbs thing not just SC. Mizzou won't be able to keep up with us on the scoreboard.

Also that D you just statistically exposed, held Mizzou to punts on 10 consecutive possessions.

 

[butchna]

That said, their offense statistically has been pretty outstanding (they average about 36 pts per game and are 23rd in total offense with 480 y/g).

So it was a great test for the offense to be in a game where they had to score so many points to actually win a close game!

It's just that the defense they were against probably could have been allowed to use shotguns and they still would have lost.

Just for context, we played far worse against UTC...The two weeks before Kentucky can only improve the timing between Dobbs and his receivers and don't even think that playbook has been used up! Lots more wrinkles galore!

 

[rekinhavoc]

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Coach Pittman cameo

 

[DD4ME]

Interesting info from ESPN.

According to their stats, we have the 11th best chance of any team of winning out at 35.4% chance. They also predict us finishing 6-6, and we rank #33 in their FPI (basically their version of Sagarin ratings).

Interestingly, South Carolina is one spot ahead at 31, Missouri is at #37, Kentucky at #46, and Vanderbilt #92.

Also, Missouri has only a 0.5% chance of winning out and the 5th hardest schedule in the country remaining, Kentucky has a 1.9% chance of winning out and the 7th hardest schedule (and is predicted to finish 5-7), and Vanderbilt has the 92nd hardest schedule but is still predicted to go 3-9 with 0% chance of winning out.

In other words: According to ESPN, we're slightly better than Missouri, a little better than Kentucky, vastly better than Vanderbilt, and have a much higher shot of winning out than all three of those teams combined.

I would be satisfied with 6-6 but man I so want us to finish 7-5 and play a good bowl. Being 8-5 would be monumental to the mojo for this team heading into 2015. Above all else though keep Dobbs healthy.

 

[DD4ME]

One thing I have been suprised hasn't been more discussed is the swing in play of the ball on both sides. Can anyone recall a team that has gone from one extreme to the other? I've seen teams get better as the year went on but not regress in one area while improving so drastically in the other. Not that our D hasn't still shown flashes but they have been exposed.

 

[Wickman]

One thing I have been suprised hasn't been more discussed is the swing in play of the ball on both sides. Can anyone recall a team that has gone from one extreme to the other? I've seen teams get better as the year went on but not regress in one area while improving so drastically in the other. Not that our D hasn't still shown flashes but they have been exposed.

Well, a lot of that has to do with the passing teams we've faced as well. The secondary looked incredible but we weren't even playing a good passing attack, much less a great one. Scar and Bama have taken advantage of Coleman and it opens up everything. So, I think that's a big factor. The next 3 match ups we should be more improved. Also, gotta factor in the lack of depth on D

 

[thomaseusin]

Mizzou game still worries me a bit. Their offense doesn't concern me, but we have to be sharp on offense. Neyland gives us the edge, IMO.

Don't overlook Kentucky's D either. Here's some SEC stats and rankings on Mizzou, Kentucky and our Vols. Threw in USCe stats in there for comparison.

SEC Ranks

Sacks
1. Mizzou - 29
4. Vols - 24
5. UK - 23
Last. USCe - 8

TFL
1. Vols - 69
2. Mizzou - 68
7. UK - 54
Last. USCe - 30

Int
2. UK - 13
5. Vols - 10
5. Mizzou - 10
11. USCe - 5

Passes Defended
2. UK - 51
7. Mizzou - 46
10. Vols - 34
Last. USCe - 32

Fumbles Forced
1. Mizzou - 11
5. UK - 8
8. Vols - 7
13. USCe - 3

We will be in dogfights the next couple weeks and will be closer than most think.

 

[DD4ME]

Well, a lot of that has to do with the passing teams we've faced as well. The secondary looked incredible but we weren't even playing a good passing attack, much less a great one. Scar and Bama have taken advantage of Coleman and it opens up everything. So, I think that's a big factor. The next 3 match ups we should be more improved. Also, gotta factor in the lack of depth on D

I totally agree a lot of it is explainable with who we have faced, matchups and depth but 3 weeks in a row top receivers have had record setting games against us. At the very least we can hold that up as a complete failure to try and avoid. At the same time though Dobbs and the offense are setting their own records which is a monumental departure from a team that couldn't even score touchdowns and had negative rushing yards a few games ago.

 

[DD4ME]

I do wonder sometimes wonder if having a bad or good offense/defense in practice all week subconsciously changes how the opposite side of the ball thinks/plays. Especially for a younger team. We have not had a complete (good) game from both sides of the ball against an SEC team in 5 years.

 

[Ericvol2096]

Don't overlook Kentucky's D either. Here's some SEC stats and rankings on Mizzou, Kentucky and our Vols. Threw in USCe stats in there for comparison.

SEC Ranks

Sacks
1. Mizzou - 29
4. Vols - 24
5. UK - 23
Last. USCe - 8

TFL
1. Vols - 69
2. Mizzou - 68
7. UK - 54
Last. USCe - 30

Int
2. UK - 13
5. Vols - 10
5. Mizzou - 10
11. USCe - 5

Passes Defended
2. UK - 51
7. Mizzou - 46
10. Vols - 34
Last. USCe - 32

Fumbles Forced
1. Mizzou - 11
5. UK - 8
8. Vols - 7
13. USCe - 3

We will be in dogfights the next couple weeks and will be closer than most think.

Good post, but I would have to think our schedule is a bit harder than Kentucky's and A LOT harder than Missouri's thus far.