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utvols88 said:
So you know that he had zero interest, talked to zero people about taking those jobs you mentioned and just sat back getting a hard on because "I'm so cool and popular, man. That's wild" all because he likes attention? Some of you can be so absurd with your statements.
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My Op said I am not going to blame things on our athletic department if he doesn't come because in order to place blame you also have to place blame on countless other places for "killing the deal".

If Gruden isn't our coach or anywhere else's it's all on him. Not anyone else's fault
 
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utvols88 said:
So you know that he had zero interest, talked to zero people about taking those jobs you mentioned and just sat back getting a hard on because "I'm so cool and popular, man. That's wild" all because he likes attention? Some of you can be so absurd with your statements.
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Ironic considering you are making the same assumptions only on your side.

Absurd I say!
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
If Frost trots out there, I won’t be disappointed. It’s not Gruden or bust for me. However, it is “you better knock this out of the park” or bust for me. There are at least a half dozen coaches who fit in that category, who are gettable.
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This is where I am with it all. I don't understand the buzz kill attitudes on here, but to each their own. Most folks are quite capable of dealing with their Vol fan emotions without 'parents' talking them down from the ledge. Anybody that went through the Grumors in the past should know to be skeptical this time without counseling. It's a message board - have fun.

Trying to understand the minds of the major boosters at this stage is pointless. I have dealt with a handful of them in the past in business. The ones I dealt with do what they do and do not care or respect what you think. The only thing they respect from you is your financial support of what they want. He who has the gold rules. They want patted on the backs by their buds for making the program what they want it to be, which may be different than what many Vol fans prefer. Look at the Dools hire. They hired an unproven La Tech HC because his dad was SEC royalty and one of the boys. None of us would have made that hire.

Add in the 'swamp' factors at the university level and you have a lot to work through as an AD, who is the hired help.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Even Hubbs said Butch was going to be fired after a loss to Kentucky but something obviously changed. Is Hubbs a troll or a fake insider too?
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He said he thought it would happen. I thought it would happen, too, but that doesn't put me on the level with Hubbs as information goes.
 
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Vols4us said:
This is where I am with it all. I don't understand the buzz kill attitudes on here, but to each their own. Most folks are quite capable of dealing with their Vol fan emotions without 'parents' talking them down from the ledge. Anybody that went through the Grumors in the past should know to be skeptical this time without counseling. It's a message board - have fun.

Trying to understand the minds of the major boosters at this stage is pointless. I have dealt with a handful of them in the past in business. The ones I dealt with do what they do and do not care or respect what you think. The only thing they respect from you is your financial support of what they want. He who has the gold rules. They want patted on the backs by their buds for making the program what they want it to be, which may be different than what many Vol fans prefer. Look at the Dools hire. They hired an unproven La Tech HC because his dad was SEC royalty and one of the boys. None of us would have made that hire.

Add in the 'swamp' factors at the university level and you have a lot to work through as an AD, who is the hired help.
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This is what makes me wonder why everyone just defers to Haslam. We have other boosters at his level, at some point I imagine they won't be content with his apparent absolute veto power.
 
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utvols88 said:
Is it obvious or are you using conjecture to pretend to be in the mind of someone you've probably never even met?

Stop it.
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Haven’t you heard?

Gruden should have his people scouring fan message boards looking for rumors so he can come out and make statements against them saying he’s happy at MNF.
 
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BruinVol said:
My Op said I am not going to blame things on our athletic department if he doesn't come because in order to place blame you also have to place blame on countless other places for "killing the deal".

If Gruden isn't our coach or anyone else's it's all on him. Not anyone else's fault
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What a ridiculous statement
 
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Jimmy Football said:
This is what makes me wonder why everyone just defers to Haslam. We have other boosters at his level, at some point I imagine they won't be content with his apparent absolute veto power.
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Perhaps Haslam has some kind of talisman or other ancient artifact that gives him control of the minds of everyone else. It could be worth investigating. My guy on the inside says he often sees Big Jim muttering in Latin before meetings.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
He said he thought it would happen. I thought it would happen, too, but that doesn't put me on the level with Hubbs as information goes.
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Hubbs said this last night on VQ...

As I have continued to say, these things are fluid. I mean I had it from some people I trust that Jones was going to be out Sunday if he had lost to Kentucky. Either those people were wrong or things changed.
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Ron Swanson said:
Hubbs said this last night on VQ...
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That's post-hoc. I don't know if he said before the game that Jones would definitely be gone, but I didn't see if he did. The point is he avoids speaking in certainties because there are none, whereas many supposed insiders throw things out like "done deal," ":)," and the like.
 
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All we know is someone else will be named the head coach probably by the end of November... Whether it is Gruden or down to Bobo, who knows, but the amount of attention on Gruden this time around (even Vegas odds) tells me that if it doesn't happen, he will not be asked again and no other school watching with any current or future interest in Gruden will ask moving forward. I think if it is confirmed we brought him a deal and he turned it down again, he will never coach in college football. No other program, including ours, will try again, thinking they will get played the same way.... so NFL or MNFB for Gruden moving forward.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
That's post-hoc. I don't know if he said before the game that Jones would definitely be gone, but I didn't see if he did. The point is he avoids speaking in certainties because there are none, whereas many supposed insiders throw things out like "done deal," ":)," and the like.
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I will agree, the emoji thing is obnoxious.
 
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It really is something that certain people believe Gruden is a "done deal" but Butch is still the coach.

Those two things do not jive. If we had Gruden in pocket Butch would've been fired the second Gruden said yes and he would've already been announced and on the recruiting trail.
 
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jave36 said:
You can be a legit booster and still troll message boards by getting them ruled up about remote possibilities.
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Not that the term means much, but I see a "troll" job as someone planting info that they know is false to get the masses "ruled up".

Having incorrect info or info that changes from the time you heard to the finish doesn't make you a troll IMO.

If it does LWS is a self professed troll, because he will tell you that not everything he has posted comes to fruition. His intent was not to reveal false info knowing it was false, it was either wrong from the get go, or changed at some point.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Atlanta is a proven commodity here. If he says it's legit, I believe him.
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He may be but that does not make his info proven. You can be totally legit and have bad info. It happens. You can also succumb to wanting to give people a little hope or get a little attention by stretching things a bit. This is a message board after all with zero repercussions.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
It really is something that certain people believe Gruden is a "done deal" but Butch is still the coach.

Those two things do not jive. If we had Gruden in pocket Butch would've been fired the second Gruden said yes and he would've already been announced and on the recruiting trail.
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Not necessarily. Even tho that would suit the he!! out me.

And I don't think its a done deal, but still a possibility.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
It really is something that certain people believe Gruden is a "done deal" but Butch is still the coach.

Those two things do not jive. If we had Gruden in pocket Butch would've been fired the second Gruden said yes and he would've already been announced and on the recruiting trail.
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I don’t think Gruden is hired by any means, or even will be, but will all his endorsements and ESPN gig, that’s probably not true.
 
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Wickman said:
I don’t think Gruden is hired by any means, or even will be, but will all his endorsements and ESPN gig, that’s probably not true.
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Oh, it's absolutely true. He'd be on the phone with Cade Mays and Trevor Lawrence as soon as he could be.
 
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