Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLV

[Darth_Shiveman]

Whoa chill out.


No one thinks it’s ok. He thinks it’s dumb to dismiss him with a staff that’s leaving in 4 days.

Exactly.

Honestly before all of this I was skeptical whether even letting JJ come back to the team would be for the best or not.


But the timing of this and the way it was handled reeks of reactionism and incompetence.

 

[UTVolinExile]

Just realized I misinterpreted that Bubba message on his twitter. Translation is Gruden tu the hill sun. I think sun means soon. Not Sunday. Carry on.

This is correct.

 

[drylo]

Exactly.

Honestly before all of this I was skeptical whether even letting JJ come back to the team would be for the best or not.


But the timing of this and the way it was handled reeks of reactionism and incompetence.

(A) I think you get the boot for this, no matter what.

(B) In part because of (A), I feel like the determination was made that JJ wouldn’t be back and it’s easier (and also sends the strongest message) for Hoke to can him right now rather than make the new coach do it right off the bat.

 

[orangeB]

Bob stoops has a house in Chicago fwiw.

I heard that. I don't think he'll get back into coaching college, but who knows. 3-0 against bama though.

 

[85SugarVol]

That’s the lamest excuse to not pay these kids. We all know that most aren’t here to get an education. They’re trying to get to the league. We did a disservice to JJ by cutting him for speaking his mind

How old are you? Seriously.

You can't just "speak your mind" and not expect repercussions. Not in the real world.

We are afforded Freedom of Speech in this wonderful country we live in, not Freedom from Consequence.

 

[HankHill]

How old are you? Seriously.

You can't just "speak your mind" and not expect repercussions. Not in the real world.

We are afforded Freedom of Speech in this wonderful country we live in, not Freedom from Consequence.

For those assistant coaches, they had no choice but to boot JJ. Their backbone wouldve been put into question and since they are officially job hunting they don’t want their future employer to be wondering why they let a player publically shi* on them and do nothing about it.

 

[McGeesPub]

... Not a lot to pick from here if Campbell is the guy.

Iowa State 2018 Football Commits

Hard not to see Campbell as another dice roll.

 

[scvolfan7]

How old are you? Seriously.

You can't just "speak your mind" and not expect repercussions. Not in the real world.

We are afforded Freedom of Speech in this wonderful country we live in, not Freedom from Consequence.

What law did Jennings break that warrants such a severe consequence? Hoke is a puss if he can’t take the criticism. Currie should have suspended JJ and let the new coach decide how to handle it.

 

[Volwark]

I heard that. I don't think he'll get back into coaching college, but who knows. 3-0 against bama though.

Only reason I keep forgetting about him. It's been drilled into my skull that he is happily retired.

 

[zhangliao04]

Haha,

I believe he is already hired. Just connecting the dots, my favorite of which is John Currie being in the Bahamas right now. He is probably currently finishing his last beer from the 18 pack of coronas he bought today. Probably taking off that Hawaiian shirt he bought from JCPenney's. slipping into his PJ's. Who knows, he might be on his balcony right about now, smoking a cuban with his legs proped up on the railing looking out at the ocean thinking man I wonder if this is how Ishmael felt after finally catching Moby. Probably sending a thank you up to the man up stairs. I imagine he will be humming the song Rocky Top as he falls into a deep slumber.

You may call me a dreamer, but I ain't the only one

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. Twas just messing. Personally I don't believe Gruden will be our next coach. I dunno who to think, though.

 

[BigOrange15]

How old are you? Seriously.

You can't just "speak your mind" and not expect repercussions. Not in the real world.

We are afforded Freedom of Speech in this wonderful country we live in, not Freedom from Consequence.

Nailed it.

 

[85SugarVol]

College athletes do not get paid, but probably should.

College athletes are absolutely "compensated", it's just not in the form of dollar bills they can go spend as they choose.

 

[volfanCLT]

... Not a lot to pick from here if Campbell is the guy.

Iowa State 2018 Football Commits

 

[LA Vol]

I just don't see the point in pretending this staff runs a tight program as the season wraps. We've had players fighting players, giving each other concussions and stitches, skipping meetings, sassing coaches, halfassing workouts, flipping off fans on national TV and opting not to practice or play all season. Now an interim's going to pretend to rein in a mismanaged, frustrated team that has had no leadership and discipline all year.

What JJ did was unacceptable, but we've had multiple players do equally unacceptable things this season and they were suspended a game. This staff made a mess of this year-- why let them impact next year? One more game and we reboot with a better staff.

 

[zhangliao04]

For those assistant coaches, they had no choice but to boot JJ. Their backbone wouldve been put into question and since they are officially job hunting they don’t want their future employer to be wondering why they let a player publically shi* on them and do nothing about it.

Hank, what's your thoughts on Shoop and how far he fell here while being the DC here at UT?

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Well, now you made me upset because my intentions have been questioned. You are a racist.

Surely you can see how ridiculous that approach is.

Yes. the way the human mind works isn’t inherently logical. But if we try to understand the way those with whom we strongly disagree, we can sometimes bridge that gap and come to an understanding of one another’s way of thinking.

 

[New-Vols-Fan]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. Twas just messing. Personally I don't believe Gruden will be our next coach. I dunno who to think, though.

Yeah at the end of the day I feel like nobody knows anything.

I honestly believe that if there was somebody who wasn't a big time booster/John Currie himself who knew what was actually going on it would of been my Dad's buddy. However that dude was wrong too. So now all we can do is connect the dots to what seems most reasonable.

I believe it's Gruden. Others believe it Mehllen. Some believe its Frost. After that who knows what could happen.

I am just thankful it's no longer Butch

 

[31VFL]

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[InVOLuntary]

I just don't see the point in pretending this staff runs a tight program as the season wraps. We've had players fighting players, giving each other concussions and stitches, skipping meetings, sassing coaches, halfassing workouts, flipping off fans on national TV and opting not to practice or play all season. Now an interim's going to pretend to rein in a mismanaged, frustrated team that has had no leadership and discipline all year.

What JJ did was unacceptable, but we've had multiple players do equally unacceptable things this season and they were suspended a game. This staff made a mess of this year-- why let them impact next year? One more game and we reboot with a better staff.

This is the reason Butch should have been packing last season. He had one foot out the door. Should have pushed his backside out too.


Also, love that you used the word "sassing". Lol

 

[InVOLuntary]

There is a thread on VQ saying that it has been determined MIT_Beaver signed up with a Pellissippi St email on here. Did I miss that?

I think it's bull. I saw the thread but can find no evidence of it.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

So much we don’t know about JJ situation. So much history and behind the scenes we have no clue

One thing certain... he did dumb, and Currie had seen enough

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Don't be so sensitive. Nothing race baiters say surprises me.

You can be sensitive to any word you dang well choose.

Isn’t everybody sensitive about something or another, though? Just because you think someone shouldn’t feel strongly about or be offended about something doesn’t exactly make it so.

I get people react just as passionately against opinions I’ve given on religion as you see from people who don’t like the word “thug” being used towards any young black man who gets mouthy or loses his cool.


(FTR, I don’t mind the use of the word thug in general, but I do think there are some instances that can be pointed to, specifically Richard Sherman, where some people have used as a bit of a euphemism)

 

[HankHill]

Hank, what's your thoughts on Shoop and how far he fell here while being the DC here at UT?

Shoop was unhappy very early in his tenure here. I think him and butch never really meshed. With that being said maybe butch didn’t trust him enough to let him “run the show” or maybe he was running the show and Just couldn’t get our guys to buy in/produce. That part i have no clue.

 

[HankHill]

There is a thread on VQ saying that it has been determined MIT_Beaver signed up with a Pellissippi St email on here. Did I miss that?

That’s kind of low. Troll or not i don’t think people should be digging into his personal stuff like that.

 

[JacketVol]

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