Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLV

[jave36]

Rofl, tabor just got juked by case keenum. He had flashbacks of JJ

 

[drvenner]

I just don't see the point in pretending this staff runs a tight program as the season wraps. We've had players fighting players, giving each other concussions and stitches, skipping meetings, sassing coaches, halfassing workouts, flipping off fans on national TV and opting not to practice or play all season. Now an interim's going to pretend to rein in a mismanaged, frustrated team that has had no leadership and discipline all year.

What JJ did was unacceptable, but we've had multiple players do equally unacceptable things this season and they were suspended a game. This staff made a mess of this year-- why let them impact next year? One more game and we reboot with a better staff.

Yep. That barn door was left open a long time ago.

 

[MrVolton]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on the roster. And the only way either of us will be proven right or wrong is when the season gets started next year. The S&C program is a disaster and they're about to go through another change.

Recruiting at Tennessee is all about effort. It's the one thing you can't fault Butch for. He worked very hard on the trail. Some guys just don't want to work like that.

Player development has been so suspect under Jones, it's sort of unfair to pass judgement on the roster. There are some guys on the team that almost had enough talent to overcome that terrible coaching.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Harbaugh (2015)
Petersen (UW) (2014)
Meyer (OSU) (2012)
Saban (2007)

Those are the last 4 I can remember. I may be setting the bar higher than others.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Let's string it out a bit.

Harbaugh is a Michigan alumnus. Clear tie.

Petersen was a G5 coach. A great one, no doubt, but still.

Meyer is an interesting circumstance. When Tressel was fired at Ohio State, instead of hiring a new coach, they let Fickell be interim for a full season. Some have said they did that knowing they would get Meyer at the end of it. So give credit to them for making it happen, but he clearly had a plan to get there.

Saban was looking to get back to the SEC. If Tennessee was open, we could've got him. Still a great hire. Homerun hire. But the best example of a homerun hire was 10 years ago.

 

[RockyTop85]

That’s reasonable.

Mora? Bielema? Not sure what everyone’s criteria is

Has the last SEC “homerun hire” been 10 years ago? I tend to agree with you there

Bielema might be a homerun hire. I overlooked him because he’s been bad.

Mora was fired by Falcons before being hired by UCLA, wasn’t he? I tried to eliminate people who had recently been fired (Richt).

Bobby Petrino to Arkansas might be a homerun as well.

Lol, regardless Arkansas has nailed their last two hires and they’ve both been fired within 5 years.

 

[drvenner]

Fixed the **** with no help from any of you azzhats

I just saw this. I probably would not have been any help, but I'm glad you got it fixed.

 

[JacketVol]

How did those teams finished? None of them won more than 8 games. Excuse me for not being impressed. That’s like saying Butch’s wins last year over Florida and GA are wins against great teams. They weren’t

Mullen is a dang good coach. If we fall to him, and he takes it because the Grude doesn’t and the P’s past, we will have done well and yes, Mullen can win championships at UT and would be the reason he would want to come.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Player development has been so suspect under Jones, it's sort of unfair to pass judgement on the roster. There are some guys on the team that almost had enough talent to overcome that terrible coaching.

Sure - I'm not bashing the kids. There is talent in spots. But not enough to win at consistently playing a SEC schedule. Also, I'd say you're right that the biggest problem was player development. However, how quickly can that be remedied? Next year? I don't think so. It'll take a couple to get in rolling again.

 

[OrangenSC]

Disagree about Petersen in 2014. He was a homerun hire.

Then to be consistent you'd also have to say that Frost or Campbell would be considered homerun hires now. I realize it's a subjective thing.

I don't think someone whose previous highest job was BSU should be considered a homerun hire any more than Frost or Campbell would be now.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Yes.

And to add injury to insult, he told him that Bobo joined CC and bought a house in Broad Acres.

What's wrong with Broad acres? I grew up in broad acres.

 

[RockyTop85]

Then to be consistent you'd also have to say that Frost or Campbell would be considered homerun hires now. I realize it's a subjective thing.

I don't think someone whose previous highest job was BSU should be considered a homerun hire any more than Frost or Campbell would be now.

I don’t agree about Frost and Campbell being equivalent. Petersen was a 2x Bear Bryant Award winner and was averaging like 11 wins a year for a long time. Lots of teams had courted him and he stayed put for family reasons. I can’t remember another mid-major coach winning a BCS game.

I ageee with the rest of the point you made but I think Petersen is a cut above anybody who has been hired since Urban Meyer, including Harbaugh. I thought so at the time as well, not just pumping him up because LWS says we’ve reached out.

 

[JacketVol]

One thing I hate is that I think Kiffin would be in a good spot on my list. I actually think he will kill it at his next spot.

Gruden
Petersen
Patterson
Frost
Kiffin
Taggert
Mullen

Putting Kiffy on the list kills any credibility. The guy has not won as a head coach anywhere and he pissed on your face already and is why we are where we are today along with Mike Hamilton who hired him.

 

[volfanCLT]

Bielema might be a homerun hire. I overlooked him because he’s been bad.

Mora was fired by Falcons before being hired by UCLA, wasn’t he? I tried to eliminate people who had recently been fired (Richt).

Bobby Petrino to Arkansas might be a homerun as well.

Lol, regardless Arkansas has nailed their last two hires and they’ve both been fired within 5 years.

Agreed. I think Bielema and Petrino are both up there.

I’d probably consider Mora in the discussion as well. UCLA hired him less than 5 years removed from an NFC title game. 2 years from being an NFL HC. It was a pretty big deal at the time.

 

[Z06VolinWV]

How bout you let your son go after him without a gun and see how that turns out

Well, first of all he's 10. He's been started on a Hoyt Ignite, but he's not good enough yet. Thanks for the tip tho Davy Crockett, I'm sure you killed your first with a knife, if you have ever even filled a tag that is!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Mullen is a dang good coach. If we fall to him, and he takes it because the Grude doesn’t and the P’s past, we will have done well and yes, Mullen can win championships at UT and would be the reason he would want to come.

I look at Mullen as a Barnes type hire. Probably, won't be great but won't be bad.

 

[JacketVol]

I think Mullen’s a decent coach and I agree he would do better than Butch. Wish we hired Mullen 8 years ago we would have won the East at least a few times. But the east is getting better with Kirby better than expected and UF likely upgrading at HC. Muschamp isn’t as bad as many think, USC has already won 8 games with two left to play including bowl.

Point is Mullen is better than we’ve had since Fulmer but he’s not a splash hire, he’s not a guarantee to contend for the East each year going forward and quite frankly we can and should do better.

We fired our National Championship winning coach, made three bad hires after that, and have been irrelevant for a long time. We can’t afford to gamble on guys like Mullen, Frost, Campbell or Taggart even though they are good coaches. We need a PROVEN BIG TIME WINNER this time.

So what do you do if all three of those guys tell you no.

 

[BigZiti09]

The roster isn't good. Recruiting is tougher. I'm not saying a coach can't be successful here but my point is that the turnaround is going to take longer than many believe.

Butch Jones inherited an abysmal roster and yet should have been playing for an SEC title in year 3 and probably in a Ny6 bowl. Incompetent coaching held us back.

Roster has been mismanaged but is better than what Dooley left. Next coach will win 8 next year and should be off to the races after that. Competing for the east very soon and the sky is the limit after that.

 

[HankHill]

It’s almost incredible how lucky Miami got by Mark Richt getting fired.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Butch Jones inherited an abysmal roster and yet should have been playing for an SEC title in year 3 and probably in a Ny6 bowl. Incompetent coaching held us back.

Roster has been mismanaged but is better than what Dooley left. Next coach will win 8 next year and should be off to the races after that. Competing for the east very soon and the sky is the limit after that.

I just simply disagree.

S&C and lack of talent on the offensive and defensive line will limit what any coach can do in Year 1.

A good coach will be able to fix it in two years and in 2019 we should be considered level with Georgia (and I assume Florida gets back). It'll look a lot like Georgia's last two seasons.

 

[MrVolton]

Sure - I'm not bashing the kids. There is talent in spots. But not enough to win at consistently playing a SEC schedule. Also, I'd say you're right that the biggest problem was player development. However, how quickly can that be remedied? Next year? I don't think so. It'll take a couple to get in rolling again.

Probably no quick fix to development or S&C. If we hire one of these guys with a strong track record of churning out NFL picks despite lower ranked recruiting classes, it could speed up the curve. The way our roster is set, I think year 2 could be tougher than year 1 for any coach we bring in.

 

[jspvol76]

A good coach wins 8 games next year with the current roster.

 

[BigZiti09]

I just simply disagree.

S&C and lack of talent on the offensive and defensive line will limit what any coach can do in Year 1.

A good coach will be able to fix it in two years and in 2019 we should be considered level with Georgia (and I assume Florida gets back). It'll look a lot like Georgia's last two seasons.

Lose almost no one off the d line. Even this year as bad as we were we should be 7-4 at the absolute worst. Just with better in game coaching.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

What is wrong with everyone today? Jeez lol

It's not every one, it's him. Research his posts.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Then to be consistent you'd also have to say that Frost or Campbell would be considered homerun hires now. I realize it's a subjective thing.

I don't think someone whose previous highest job was BSU should be considered a homerun hire any more than Frost or Campbell would be now.

He was 92-12 at Boise. You can say what you want about whether home run hire applies but when you compile that record along with 2 BCS bowl game berths I don’t think you can say he’s an up and comer. Especially can’t compare him to Frost and Campbell having less than 5 years HC experience between the 2 of them.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I don’t know why I even bothered arguing with people who can’t see we need a proven winner this time around. And after Gruden is hired next week you low expectation having mfers are going to need to learn how to up your standards.