Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XVI

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Aesius said:
There's still a risk in bring in an outsider, even if it's someone known for putting up big numbers recently.

My theory is officially that Butch wants to retake control of the offense and will bring in DeBord to be a figurehead OC, but more an OL coach and mentor to Azzanni, who Butch ultimately wants to be his full-time OC in a couple of years.
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There's always a risk even playing it safe if DeBord is hired. But I agree with you, like I said earlier the only way this works is if Azzani is promoted to CO-OC..
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Neither did Butch. Neither did the short guy we've got coaching basketball. Neither did Jancek, Stripling, Elder, or Martinez. The last coaches I remember "moving the needle" we're Sal and Kiffin.

My needle is moved by the fact that we won a bowl game this year. By the fact that we've got a handful of 5 stars and a top 10 recruiting class coming in. By the fact that Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina look to be a little bit down. If this hire can keep us on the trajectory that we're on, then my needle doesn't need to go anywhere.

I can understand people feeling that way, I just think It's a stupid, fan-made criteria for people who don't know any more than I do about the process for evaluating and hiring coaches. Whether it "moves the needle" has 0 to do with whether it's the right hire.

Regardless, this place is quickly becoming unreadable. It's sad because the last few weeks were really nice.
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Carve this in stone.

Great post.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Our playcalling was more predictable. There's nothing in the scheme that is inherently more predictable than other teams though. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that any OC we bring in will be running Butch's system. Maybe this can can do a great job with it. Maybe not. I'd say Butch is probably the best guy to determine who can execute his system though. I don't care who he hires as long as we score points and win games.
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Couldn't agree more. We all want to see this talent on offense go off the charts and dominate. I guess, in Butch we trust, right? Hoping for the best...
 
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jjay2518 said:
Our playcalling was more predictable. There's nothing in the scheme that is inherently more predictable than other teams though. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that any OC we bring in will be running Butch's system. Maybe this can can do a great job with it. Maybe not. I'd say Butch is probably the best guy to determine who can execute his system though. I don't care who he hires as long as we score points and win games.
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If you thought Jake was predictable, I don't want to see the Debord reaction. That guy was as predictable as they get at Michigan. If he was so great at OC he would be an OC with that Michigan Background resume. i just don't see how you can pull a guy off the streets to be OC heading into the two most critical years of your program. The talent is there for a run at the SEC. You can't screw that up. There has to be interest from guys better that are willing to come after NSD.

IMO this has to be a consultant mentor thing where Butch is getting his advice or wants him in an anaylst role like a lot of teams are doing these days.
 
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smokeyhuntsgators said:
Internet has been down so what's the latest, gentlemen?
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Well I'm pretty sure VolNation has almost completely gone insane. Every thread you go to has people arguing and at each other's throats. Memphis still sucks. Debord is so old, he's already dead. He's had his head preserved in a jar and can still coach Futurama style. Dog farts are still funny. Leb is back and annoying everyone. Disney is over! And we are all experts on coaches. I think that covers the most pertinent topics. :hi: :eek:lol:
 
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you said:
Dude, you bumped this from over a week ago.... What you been up to? Still up around Greenville?

What punishment should the Pats get?

Also, give us your uneducated guess on who we finish with.

Thanks
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I had been out of the country on vacation and had just seen that post when I bumped it.

Haven't been up to much, just working and going to school. I live in Johnson City, I'm a student at ETSU.

Pats should lose some draft picks, get a hefty fine, IF Belichick was behind the deflating of balls he should be suspended for the SB and a few games next season. IF Brady knew about the deflating of the balls he should get the same. They're repeat offenders (SpyGate).
 
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Personally, except for the repetitive arguing over numbers yesterday, I really don't think the RF has been that bad. There is much discussion over Debord rumor and vacated offensive coordinator position, as there should be on a VOLS message board. I find it interesting and informative..
 
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Aesius said:
Maybe this is what the staff will look like by NSD:

Mike DeBord - co-OC, OL coach (calls plays with heavy involvement from Butch)
Zach Azzanni - co-OC, WR coach (also heavily involved in offensive gameplanning but more from a "watch and learn" perspective).
Nick Sheridan - QB coach (can devote 100 percent of his time to teaching Dobbs and the freshmen)

Let's not forget that Butch has been an offensive coordinator for 9 years. 1992-1994 at Wilkes, 1995-1997 at Ferris State, and 2002-2004 at CMU. It's been a while since he actively called plays, but he knows his offense and I'm sure he's confident that DeBord would be able to pick it up quickly.
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Yes, this was discussed yesterday and the way it would make sense.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
I had been out of the country on vacation and had just seen that post when I bumped it.

Haven't been up to much, just working and going to school. I live in Johnson City, I'm a student at ETSU.

Pats should lose some draft picks, get a hefty fine, IF Belichick was behind the deflating of balls he should be suspended for the SB and a few games next season. IF Brady knew about the deflating of the balls he should get the same. They're repeat offenders (SpyGate).
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Every pro QB I've seen interviewed has said they can tell when a ball is underinflated. I find it hard to believe Brady would be the only one who couldn't tell the difference.
 
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If, and it's a big if imo, Butch were to hire DeBord and make Coach Z co-OC, then I would say you'd see DeBord as running game coordinator and Z as passing game coordinator. Personally, I have to believe Butch will interview more candidates. It doesn't make sense to hire the first guy you interview. You see what else is out there before you make a final decision.
 
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Weezer said:
If, and it's a big if imo, Butch were to hire DeBord and make Coach Z co-OC, then I would say you'd see DeBord as running game coordinator and Z as passing game coordinator. Personally, I have to believe Butch will interview more candidates. It doesn't make sense to hire the first guy you interview. You see what else is out there before you make a final decision.
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Unless he knew all along what was going to happen
 
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Here's a silver lining for you. Since he's been mostly an OL coach, he can teach Mahoney how to coach OL.
 
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I feel like I'm turning into Leb when it comes to this OC hire, but dammit, it's intriguing the hell out of me.

Pros and cons lists are pretty good for making decisions, so here's the best I can come up with for DeBord:

Pros:
-Is a "plug and play" hire from a personality point of view. Butch knows and trusts him and it's highly unlikely he's at a point in his career to challenge Butch or go against his wishes (could be an issue with hiring young guys).

-Has a national championship ring as an OC. Granted, it was nearly 20 years ago, but it proves that he's not a total buffoon.

-Has experience coaching OL and TE, including in the NFL. In fact, he's primarily an OL coach. Could be a huge upgrade over Mahoney and would free up a coaching spot for a dedicated QB coach if Butch goes that route.

-Has head coaching and admin experience. That's valuable, even if his HC W/L record is less than impressive. He's another guy like Stripling who has decades of experience in football.

-Going along with that, he could serve as an "advisor" of sorts to Butch and Azzanni and pass the torch to Z when he's ready to step up.

Cons:
-He hasn't coached an offense since 2007. If Butch leaves the offense up to him, things could get dicey, especially considering how much football has changed in the last eight years.

-He's old and his recruiting acumen is unknown. Stripling is also an old, fat, bald white guy, but he recruits DL lights out, so I'm withholding judgment.

-He's viewed as "washed up" given that he hasn't been involved in football since 2012. It's doubtful that he would bring any new ideas to the table.

-He brings zero excitement to the table for the fanbase. This isn't hugely important, but this hire would almost certainly be viewed as a dud by fans, recruits, players, and analysts until we actually see results on the field. Would make for a cloudy offseason and might reduce excitement for the 2015 season.
 
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Aesius said:
I feel like I'm turning into Leb when it comes to this OC hire, but dammit, it's intriguing the hell out of me.

Pros and cons lists are pretty good for making decisions, so here's the best I can come up with for DeBord:

Pros:
-Is a "plug and play" hire from a personality point of view. Butch knows and trusts him and it's highly unlikely he's at a point in his career to challenge Butch or go against his wishes (could be an issue with hiring young guys).

-Has a national championship ring as an OC. Granted, it was nearly 20 years ago, but it proves that he's not a total buffoon.

-Has experience coaching OL and TE, including in the NFL. In fact, he's primarily an OL coach. Could be a huge upgrade over Mahoney and would free up a coaching spot for a dedicated QB coach if Butch goes that route.

-Has head coaching and admin experience. That's valuable, even if his HC W/L record is less than impressive. He's another guy like Stripling who has decades of experience in football.

-Going along with that, he could serve as an "advisor" of sorts to Butch and Azzanni and pass the torch to Z when he's ready to step up.

Cons:
-He hasn't coached an offense since 2007. If Butch leaves the offense up to him, things could get dicey, especially considering how much football has changed in the last eight years.

-He's old and his recruiting acumen is unknown. Stripling is also an old, fat, bald white guy, but he recruits DL lights out, so I'm withholding judgment.

-He's viewed as "washed up" given that he hasn't been involved in football since 2012. It's doubtful that he would bring any new ideas to the table.

-He brings zero excitement to the table for the fanbase. This isn't hugely important, but this hire would almost certainly be viewed as a dud by fans, recruits, players, and analysts until we actually see results on the field. Would make for a cloudy offseason and might reduce excitement for the 2015 season.
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That's it. I've had enough ban him, sign the petition, you're either with me or against me. Mods....LOL
 
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Andrew Darago @AWDarago 1h

Per source, Vols WR coach Zach Azzanni expected to take Central Michigan job if not offered Vols OC position
 
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