Recruiting Forum Football Talk XVIII

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Aesius said:
He is nearly Manziel-like in his ability to avoid pressure. During one of his rushing touchdowns against Iowa, I swear he dematerialized for a split second to get past the defender who was about 6 inches away from him and still missed on the tackle.
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Yep. I always felt like he compared to Roethlisberger in the aspect
 
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OldVol49vfl said:
No problem darkgable. I agree about OJ, I believe he was guilty and that the prosecution did a horrible job presenting their case. I have two daughters and two granddaughters so I tend to take their side.
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Amen to that. I have two preteen girls and it worries me when I think about them having future relationships or going to college. I hope and pray they never date an athlete in college. Seriously.
 
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utvols88 said:
Does anyone else watch house hunters, property brothers,etc and ruthlessly judge the buyers? I do and I pick them apart without mercy. Just wondering if I'm the only one.
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I watch as well. I'm amazed at the price of houses in other parts of the country.
 
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Hypothetical question. Happens across the nation. A college aged girl gets hyped up on booze and/or drugs and entices a college aged guy to have wild, crazy stuff sex with her. She gets him going and then suddenly decides it has gone too far and wants to stop in the middle of the event. The guy finishes. The girl feels guilt and remorse for the crazy stuff she's done. She also knows she did tell him to stop and he didn't. She also knows she wanted it to happen with him in the beginning as she initiated the encounter. The guy says she never said to stop and is just feeling guilty. The witnesses, if any, are divided on the issue.

Is the guy guilty of rape or sexual assault, or is he not guilty? What do you decide if these are the primary facts in evidence in a court trial?
 
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Vols4us said:
Hypothetical question. Happens across the nation. A college aged girl gets hyped up on booze and/or drugs and entices a college aged guy to have wild, crazy stuff sex with her. She gets him going and then suddenly decides it has gone too far and wants to stop in the middle of the event. The guy finishes. The girl feels guilt and remorse for the crazy stuff she's done. She also knows she did tell him to stop and he didn't. She also knows she wanted it to happen with him in the beginning as she initiated the encounter. The guy says she never said to stop and is just feeling guilty. The witnesses, if any, are divided on the issue.

Is the guy guilty of rape or sexual assault, or is he not guilty? What do you decide if these are the primary facts in evidence in a court trial?
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The very moment a female takes a sip of alcohol, she is deemed unable to give consent.

This is by law. You didn't need to give this elaborate story. If she drinks, it's considered sexual assault.
 
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Vols4us said:
Hypothetical question. Happens across the nation. A college aged girl gets hyped up on booze and/or drugs and entices a college aged guy to have wild, crazy stuff sex with her. She gets him going and then suddenly decides it has gone too far and wants to stop in the middle of the event. The guy finishes. The girl feels guilt and remorse for the crazy stuff she's done. She also knows she did tell him to stop and he didn't. She also knows she wanted it to happen with him in the beginning as she initiated the encounter. The guy says she never said to stop and is just feeling guilty. The witnesses, if any, are divided on the issue.

Is the guy guilty of rape or sexual assault, or is he not guilty? What do you decide if these are the primary facts in evidence in a court trial?
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Consent cannot be given if not sober. So yes its rape if the guy is sober. But if the guy isnt sober idk how it works, still probably sides with the girl.
 
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LotteryPick said:
The very moment a female takes a sip of alcohol, she is deemed unable to give consent.

This is by law. You didn't need to give this elaborate story. If she drinks, it's considered sexual assault.
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That can't be but so true. I thought they had to be obviously drunk. If true that means millions of rapes occur every night.
 
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Vols4us said:
Hypothetical question. Happens across the nation. A college aged girl gets hyped up on booze and/or drugs and entices a college aged guy to have wild, crazy stuff sex with her. She gets him going and then suddenly decides it has gone too far and wants to stop in the middle of the event. The guy finishes. The girl feels guilt and remorse for the crazy stuff she's done. She also knows she did tell him to stop and he didn't. She also knows she wanted it to happen with him in the beginning as she initiated the encounter. The guy says she never said to stop and is just feeling guilty. The witnesses, if any, are divided on the issue.

Is the guy guilty of rape or sexual assault, or is he not guilty? What do you decide if these are the primary facts in evidence in a court trial?
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As a criminal defense attorney, I have discussed this with colleagues on multiple occasions. One of the ways that someone can be convicted of rape in TN is without the effective consent by the victim and the defendant knows or has reason to know at the time the victim did not consent. So, what if she first consented but then changed her mind halfway through? If alcohol is involved, then it blurs everything. Alcohol effects memory and clear thinking for both individuals. Frankly, it's kind of a scary definition. I basically rephrased some of your scenario, and there is no good answer.
 
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LotteryPick said:
By law, absolutely.
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I don't believe that to be true. One other way to accomplish rape is to have sexual penetration with someone who is incapacitated. That is, the victim could be passed out drunk. But just because a female has some drinks doesn't mean she can't consent.
 
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Vols4us said:
Hypothetical question. Happens across the nation. A college aged girl gets hyped up on booze and/or drugs and entices a college aged guy to have wild, crazy stuff sex with her. She gets him going and then suddenly decides it has gone too far and wants to stop in the middle of the event. The guy finishes. The girl feels guilt and remorse for the crazy stuff she's done. She also knows she did tell him to stop and he didn't. She also knows she wanted it to happen with him in the beginning as she initiated the encounter. The guy says she never said to stop and is just feeling guilty. The witnesses, if any, are divided on the issue.

Is the guy guilty of rape or sexual assault, or is he not guilty? What do you decide if these are the primary facts in evidence in a court trial?
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Did she ever verbalized stop to the male? Did she ever push him off or in any way let him know she didn't want to continue?
 
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VolGee4 said:
As a criminal defense attorney, I have discussed this with colleagues on multiple occasions. One of the ways that someone can be convicted of rape in TN is without the effective consent by the victim and the defendant knows or has reason to know at the time the victim did not consent. So, what if she first consented but then changed her mind halfway through? If alcohol is involved, then it blurs everything. Alcohol effects memory and clear thinking for both individuals. Frankly, it's kind of a scary definition. I basically rephrased some of your scenario, and there is no good answer.
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However she's still able in the middle of the act allowed to say stop and he has to. If he continues to pin her down so he can get off as she's screaming stop he's going to have problems.
 
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Just finished watching O & W game. First of all, I can not give higher praise to Coach Butch Jones for the show he puts on for that game. Outstanding job! Second, I've never been to the O & W game, wanted to go this year, but with the high number of injuries, I didn't think it'd be worth it. I couldn't have been more wrong! Wish I would have been there now. In particular, I loved the drills mixed in during the game. Very cool. Last, hard not to be VERY excited for this season. The guys that were out there looked real good. I expect next years O & W game to be epic. We really need to shoot for that 100K!
 
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LotteryPick said:
The very moment a female takes a sip of alcohol, she is deemed unable to give consent.

This is by law. You didn't need to give this elaborate story. If she drinks, it's considered sexual assault.
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By that same logic if the male is drunk too doesn't that mean she raped him as Well?
 
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