Recruiting Forum Football Talk XVIII

[NMVol]

Really like the way CBJ handled Maggitt's rehab. Wishing him and the team a great season.

 

[Vols4us]

Who on here is not a fan of Curt Maggitt?







Nobody.

 

[KokoBVol]

Congratulations! Good time of the year- my anniversary is tomorrow. Enjoy a nice honeymoon; come back and settle in; and it will be time for football news.

I guess he doesn't remember that we won a national title after Peyton- selective memory.

Thanks Gee

 

[HialeahGator]

Luke Stampenis' Top 247 moves:

--No. 1 should be DL Rashan Gary. He's the safest pick to be at the top, and he's a beast that can play DE or DT.

--UGA DT commit Julian Rochester should lose his 5th star. He certainly is not the 5th best prospect in the nation. I don't think he should slide just outside of 5-star range either, I think he should really drop down the board.

--I also feel LSU DB commit Saivion Smith should lose his 5th star. Again, I'm not sure he's the No. 1 CB in FL, and I'm not sure he even sticks at CB in college.

--I would move LB Lydnell Wilson (18) over LB Ben Davis (17). Wilson was more athletic and more active.

--I think it's time to give WR Kyle Davis (21) his 5th star. We don't have any WR at 5-stars, but he might be ready to land his.

-- I would move Ole Miss QB commit Shea Patterson (24) over LSU QB commit Feleipe Franks (20). I thought Patterson was consistently better than Franks the entire week.

--It is time for Ohio State DE commit Jonathon Cooper (56) to really jump up the rankings. Explosive player off the edge should be at the cusp of the 5-stars.

--I think you move FSU DE commit Janarius Robinson (82) outside the Top 100. He looks the part, but he really needs to improve his play to have him in the Top 100.

--He is a little undersized at 5'11", but safety Nigel Warrior (87) makes a ton of plays. I would move him inside the Top 50 without a doubt.

--WR Darnell Salomon (89) probably needs to move outside the Top 150. He's just a guy who had early hype, and doesn't dominate like a Top 100 prospect.

--WR Tyrie Cleveland (114) should at least get into the Top 100 after his stellar performance at The Opening. Perhaps a move inside the Top 75 or higher is warranted.

--CB/ATH Jack Jones (126) is small at 5'10" 157, but he's ultra competitive and ultra quick. I don't think you give him a monster bump, a Top 100 move should be considered.

--WR/CB Mecole Hardman (148) should see a big jump in his ranking. I think he's a really good slot receiver, as well as a high level cornerback. At 5'10" 175, I don't think you can go crazy high, but just inside the Top 50 would be okay with me.

--Ohio State WR commit Austin Mack (155) has shown out at the IMG 7on7 as well as The Opening. He is another that probably should get a look at making the Top 50, easily the Top 75 in my opinion.

--CB Khalil Ladler (233) saw his stock dropping this spring, and now an ACL injury has him missing action. He should move outside the Top247.

--I would add Florida DB commit Chauncey Gardner (NR) to the Top247. I would say in the Top 200, if not higher.

 

[Aesius]

Have to beat out UGA for at least 2/3 from Davis, Warrior, and Hardman.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Haha Georgia sucks

 

[Ericvol2096]

Been researching TN FB history and we didn't finish a season ranked from 75-84. Then we won the SEC and Sugar bowl in 85 and besides a couple more tune up years we were in the title hunt every year for 20 years.

We've not finished ranked since 07 which is a pretty similar stretch.

Hope we can bust out this year like that 85 team and go on a two decade run of being mostly a great team always in contention!

I really became a fan in 90 so its nice to know we've struggled thisnlong before and turned out of it. Anyone around at that time able to comment on what the fanbase was like in the 80-84 range? Were we getting beat down by other fans being told we'd never get back like today? Did you all get the same feel from Majors as Butch today and know it was going to turn around soon?

Interested in learning more about that time.

 

[85SugarVol]

Have to beat out UGA for at least 2/3 from Davis, Warrior, and Hardman.

I'd take Nigel Warrior & Kyle Davis at this point.

 

[LotteryPick]

Luke Stampenis' Top 247 moves:

--I think it's time to give WR Kyle Davis (21) his 5th star. We don't have any WR at 5-stars, but he might be ready to land his.

 

[Catbone]

I'd take Nigel Warrior & Kyle Davis at this point.

Same

 

[DeekT]

Same

Me too

 

[Smokey49]

I'd take Nigel Warrior & Kyle Davis at this point.

I 4th this. But would rather take all 3, of course.

 

[Catbone]

I 4th this. But would rather take all 3, of course.

That would be a ridiculous haul

 

[UTMVol76]

That would be a ridiculous haul

....and is a feat I feel Butch can accomplish.

 

[Smokey49]

That would be a ridiculous haul

Agreed, totally. But I won't count out Butch till NSD.

 

[vol2002]

Anyone around at that time able to comment on what the fanbase was like in the 80-84 range? Were we getting beat down by other fans being told we'd never get back like today? Did you all get the same feel from Majors as Butch today and know it was going to turn around soon?

Interested in learning more about that time.

I wasn't around then but I've seen and heard a lot of folks talk about it, and yes, it was every bit as miserable then as now. Lost 11 or so in a row to Bama and UGA had Herschel and won a national title. Bill Battle was a precursor to Dooley apparently in his recruiting. Majors was hired to restore Tennessee back to prominence but it took him much longer than anyone thought it would. I think that's why the 1985 Sugar Vols were so exciting. The 1984 team was mediocre and there apparently wasn't much buzz going into 1985. No one saw the comeback coming.

Surprisingly I think I heard Majors say CBJ inherited a worse situation than he did. For as bad as that period was, Tennessee didn't have any back to back losing seasons in that stretch and they pumped out some pretty elite players. They also pulled a few big upsets.

If we shock the world with a 10-2 regular season, Butch will look like a miracle worker given how bad of shape this program was in when he came.

I'm convinced we have just endured the worst stretch in program history.

 

[SergeantVol]

Close buddy of mine says that one of the coaches was down at Holmes C.C. here in Mississippi talking to Arthur Turner. He is a JUCO RB/WR. Not sure on his stats. Saw a HUDL film from HS. Can't find anything on any of the recruiting services. Other random fact, the kid is related to Michael Turner of the Falcons noteriety. Just wanted to see if any of our resident insiders have heard anything.

 

[JAllen18]

Have to beat out UGA for at least 2/3 from Davis, Warrior, and Hardman.

We have a great shot at landing all 3. It's hard to read Hardman and I think he favors GA slightly, but it's a long way till signing day.

 

[volatil]

College football has evolved as has technology.

Majors came home after winning a NC at Pitt. He was given time to turn a program around.

There was no social media, no Internet bullies, no 247, no instant information. He had time. We rarely got the pleasure of seeing the Vols on TV. When we did, it was a huge deal. Keith Jackson on ABC

As a kid, I listened to John Ward. It was beautiful. Yeah we lost to Vandy, Kentucky, Army in that time frame but I don't remember it being a bad time.

The Dooley era was the worst time in UT sports history... hands down. He should have been fired in Lexington before he left the locker room.

We should be so thankful for Butch Jones. He will win multiple championships here. Book it

 

[Aesius]

College football has evolved as has technology.

Majors came home after winning a NC at Pitt. He was given time to turn a program around.

There was no social media, no Internet bullies, no 247, no instant information. He had time. We rarely got the pleasure of seeing the Vols on TV. When we did, it was a huge deal. Keith Jackson on ABC

As a kid, I listened to John Ward. It was beautiful. Yeah we lost to Vandy, Kentucky, Army in that time frame but I don't remember it being a bad time.

The Dooley era was the worst time in UT sports history... hands down. He should have been fired in Lexington before he left the locker room.

We should be so thankful for Butch Jones. He will win multiple championships here. Book it

I think Butch would have to make a horrible coordinator hire or just flat out suck at coaching to not essentially "inherit" the SEC in the next 6-7 years. Most of his major competitors (Richt, Saban, Pinkel, Spurrier, Miles, Malzahn, Sumlin) will be gone by then and he will take full advantage if any of those programs make mediocre or bad hires.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

I think Butch would have to make a horrible coordinator hire or just flat out suck at coaching to not essentially "inherit" the SEC in the next 6-7 years. Most of his major competitors (Richt, Saban, Pinkel, Spurrier, Miles, Malzahn, Sumlin) will be gone by then and he will take full advantage if any of those programs make mediocre or bad hires.

I see what you're getting at, but I do not think Malzahn and Sumlin will be gone in 6 to 7 years.

 

[UTMVol76]

I see what you're getting at, but I do not think Malzahn and Sumlin will be gone in 6 to 7 years.

I could see Sumlin making jump to NFL, he's got the game. One thing we should all be ecstatic about is the prospect of Butch ruling the SEC East with an iron fist.

Let who's remaining in the West bring their best!!!

 

[Aesius]

I see what you're getting at, but I do not think Malzahn and Sumlin will be gone in 6 to 7 years.

Both strike me as the most likely to take NFL jobs. I don't think EVERYONE from that list will be gone in 6-7 years, but most of them will be.

Go back to 2008 and the SEC looks completely different. Urban at UF, Croom at MSU, Nutt at Ole Miss, Tuberville at AU, Sherman at A&M, Fulmer at UT, Brooks at UK, Johnson at Vandy, Petrino at Arkansas, etc.

Right now the SEC looks strong and stable from a coaching perspective, but the dominoes will start falling soon. Seats will start heating up, coaches will retire/get fired, jump to other jobs, etc. The shelf-life for most SEC coaches is pretty damn short.

Butch seems like one of the few who is currently coaching who could stick around for another 10 years.

 

[SergeantVol]

I take it no one has heard anything in relation to my earlier post?

 

[eazyTD]

Both strike me as the most likely to take NFL jobs. I don't think EVERYONE from that list will be gone in 6-7 years, but most of them will be.

Go back to 2008 and the SEC looks completely different. Urban at UF, Croom at MSU, Nutt at Ole Miss, Tuberville at AU, Sherman at A&M, Fulmer at UT, Brooks at UK, Johnson at Vandy, Petrino at Arkansas, etc.

Right now the SEC looks strong and stable from a coaching perspective, but the dominoes will start falling soon. Seats will start heating up, coaches will retire/get fired, jump to other jobs, etc. The shelf-life for most SEC coaches is pretty damn short.

Butch seems like one of the few who is currently coaching who could stick around for another 10 years.

I feel very confident that Butch will be here as long as we want him unless Michigan comes calling and there's zero chance that happens in the next 4 or 5 years. He absolutely loves Tennessee and knows that he will reach god like status in the area if/when he brings the Vols back to elite status.