Recruiting Forum Football Talk XVIII

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Guys,

Will somebody tell Nike that I do not wear a 2XL T-shirt. Geez, I look like I'm wearing a Medium when I put on my XL. Not saying I'm a fitness model but I work out and am not a slob. 6'1-225 Anybody else having this problem?
 
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I could see Sumlin leaving TAMU in the next couple of years if he keeps trending downward. Those boosters didn't drop all that money to fix up Kyle Field just to win 7 or 8 games per year. I also don't see Saban sticking around for anymore than 2 or 3 more years. It's going to be very interesting when the Alabama job opens up.
 
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WTNVol2 said:
Guys,

Will somebody tell Nike that I do not wear a 2XL T-shirt. Geez, I look like I'm wearing a Medium when I put on my XL. Not saying I'm a fitness model but I work out and am not a slob. 6'1-225 Anybody else having this problem?
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Not the shirt thing, as I still need to update my gear. The only exception is I am 5'10" and 220.
 
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volatil said:
College football has evolved as has technology.

Majors came home after winning a NC at Pitt. He was given time to turn a program around.

There was no social media, no Internet bullies, no 247, no instant information. He had time. We rarely got the pleasure of seeing the Vols on TV. When we did, it was a huge deal. Keith Jackson on ABC

As a kid, I listened to John Ward. It was beautiful. Yeah we lost to Vandy, Kentucky, Army in that time frame but I don't remember it being a bad time.

The Dooley era was the worst time in UT sports history... hands down. He should have been fired in Lexington before he left the locker room.

We should be so thankful for Butch Jones. He will win multiple championships here. Book it
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The absence of internet service and social media made it more difficult to gauge the degree of discontent, although there was the moving van incident in October 1974, when disgruntled Tennessee fans anonymously sent a moving van to Bill Battle's house (https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=7foDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4533,6190679&hl=en). Oh, we also lost to North Texas in 1975 and Rutgers in 1979, the week before beating Notre Dame 40-18. A hallmark of Majors' teams during the first half of his tenure was a maddening inconsistency, both on a week-to-week and year-to-year basis. The following data illustrate this point superbly. In 1980, we lost back-to-back heartbreakers to Georgia and USC by the scores of 16-15 and 20-17, respectively, and finished the season 5-6. We began the following season with crushing losses to the same two teams by the scores of 44-0 and 43-7, respectively, but finished 8-4, with a victory over Wisconsin in the Garden State Bowl.
 
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eazyTD said:
I feel very confident that Butch will be here as long as we want him unless Michigan comes calling and there's zero chance that happens in the next 4 or 5 years. He absolutely loves Tennessee and knows that he will reach god like status in the area if/when he brings the Vols back to elite status.
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Butch has exactly zero ties, as a player or coach, to the University of Michigan. He was a graduate of Ferris State University.
 
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Aesius said:
Both strike me as the most likely to take NFL jobs. I don't think EVERYONE from that list will be gone in 6-7 years, but most of them will be.

Go back to 2008 and the SEC looks completely different. Urban at UF, Croom at MSU, Nutt at Ole Miss, Tuberville at AU, Sherman at A&M, Fulmer at UT, Brooks at UK, Johnson at Vandy, Petrino at Arkansas, etc.

Right now the SEC looks strong and stable from a coaching perspective, but the dominoes will start falling soon. Seats will start heating up, coaches will retire/get fired, jump to other jobs, etc. The shelf-life for most SEC coaches is pretty damn short.

Butch seems like one of the few who is currently coaching who could stick around for another 10 years.
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I don't know what personal allegiances the author of this piece may possess, but here is an interesting, speculative look, in projected rank order, of which SEC head football coaches will still be at their current jobs in a decade: Which SEC Coaches Will Still Be Around in a Decade? - Team Speed Kills. What is his bottom line? The only reason he doesn't have Saban No. 1 is because of his age. With respect to Butch Jones, whom he considers to be most likely to still be at his current position, Wunderlich states:

"At 47, he's nowhere close to retirement. With him having played at Ferris State, there isn't an alma mater out there to draw him away from Knoxville. Tennessee is also a historic and wealthy enough program that when it's good, it's not a place you leave. With most of his coaching past coming at Central Michigan and Cincinnati, there's not a past college job to tug at his heart strings either. Plus, he's yet to draw any interest from the NFL, and the fact that he runs a "college offense" and doesn't have a reputation as a "true innovator" like Chip Kelly or Malzahn means he probably won't either.

He was a winner at both CMU and Cincy. The arrow is pointing the right direction at Tennessee now too. The rough times between Fulmer's firing and Jones's arrival—not to mention the turmoil within the men's basketball program—will prevent UT from getting too impatient with him. He recruits and coaches well enough that he'll start winning SEC East and sometimes overall SEC titles with enough regularity to keep him in the job for a long time to come."

In short, Tennessee is very well positioned to retain Butch Jones for a very long time to come.
 
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Well, when CBJ stated last year he wanted to retire as the head coach of the University of Tennessee, he was obviously saying the right thing.
 
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vol2002 said:
I wasn't around then but I've seen and heard a lot of folks talk about it, and yes, it was every bit as miserable then as now. Lost 11 or so in a row to Bama and UGA had Herschel and won a national title. Bill Battle was a precursor to Dooley apparently in his recruiting. Majors was hired to restore Tennessee back to prominence but it took him much longer than anyone thought it would. I think that's why the 1985 Sugar Vols were so exciting. The 1984 team was mediocre and there apparently wasn't much buzz going into 1985. No one saw the comeback coming.

Surprisingly I think I heard Majors say CBJ inherited a worse situation than he did. For as bad as that period was, Tennessee didn't have any back to back losing seasons in that stretch and they pumped out some pretty elite players. They also pulled a few big upsets.

If we shock the world with a 10-2 regular season, Butch will look like a miracle worker given how bad of shape this program was in when he came.

I'm convinced we have just endured the worst stretch in program history.
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Bill Battle was one of the finest people we have ever had as head coach at Tennessee, but his long-term failure as a recruiter led to Coach Majors' famous proclamation that the "cupboard was bare" when he took over in 1977. Battle actually had a much higher winning percentage at Tennessee than Majors, due to three very good years at the beginning of his tenure. However, the program clearly bottomed out under his direction. And, yes, Majors did say that the situation Butch Jones inherited was probably worse than the condition of the program when he became head coach.

Tony Robinson didn't singlehandedly carry the team through the first half of the '85 season, but I do believe that the team relied too heavily on his golden arm. After his season-ending injury, however, that defense came together like few that I have witnessed and became an absolutely impenetrable fortress. It was not the most talented Tennessee team by a long shot and it wasn't even the most talented Tennessee team that Majors would field, but it consistently achieved as close to its maximum potential over the course of the second half of the season as any Tennessee team that I have watched over the course of 48 tears.

I cannot speak for the pre-Neyland era, but I would agree that we have just gone through the worst stretch in the last 50 years. Another point for your consideration is that our longest drought between SEC championships is 16 years (1969-1985 and 1998-2014). We probably will not win a conference championship this year, so that drought most likely will reach 17 years before we are within striking distance.
 
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VolGee4 said:
IMO, the issue could be talent at the correct positions. Robertson seems talented but still young. The other positions have experience, but this year will tell us if they were talented enough to play at this level. I think we all agree that Kerbyson is playing out of position. If they don't perform this year, IMO, it is because we have young, talented players who aren't ready (Jones, Richmond, Hall) or we just didn't recruit great OL (which again falls on Dooley). Just my view of it.
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Fair points.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Butch has exactly zero ties, as a player or coach, to the University of Michigan. He was a graduate of Ferris State University.
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Why is it Michigan that is always brought up? Has he ever said he was a Wolverines fan growing up? He grew up on the other side of the state and there are lots of Michigan State fans on that side. Just curious.
 
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snowvols said:
Why is it Michigan that is always brought up? Has he ever said he was a Wolverines fan growing up? He grew up on the other side of the state and there are lots of Michigan State fans on that side. Just curious.
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I think it merely an assumption everyone makes. Nothing else I have seen or read says otherwise.
 
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UTMVol76 said:
I think it merely an assumption everyone makes. Nothing else I have seen or read says otherwise.
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I saw a few reports that indicated Butch had interest in the job when it was obvious Hoke would be fired. Whether that was legit interest or just to get a raise at Tennessee, I have no idea.

I'm not of the belief that he was ever going to take the Purdue or Colorado jobs before Tennessee came calling either. I think his agent is just good at getting him more money.
 
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eazyTD said:
He was never offered. They were all in on Harbaugh before Hoke was fired.
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I imagine he was on their list should Harbaugh say no. Rucker also adamantly said that Butch had interest in the job, but I think that line was fed to the media by Butch's agent. I don't think he would have left Tennessee for another rebuilding job.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
I see what you're getting at, but I do not think Malzahn and Sumlin will be gone in 6 to 7 years.
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For the life of me I will never understand the Sumlin hype. He is a defensive coach, that has never put a decent defense on the field...ever. He LUCKED into a preternaturally gifted QB, and that is it.
 
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eazyTD said:
I could see Sumlin leaving TAMU in the next couple of years if he keeps trending downward. Those boosters didn't drop all that money to fix up Kyle Field just to win 7 or 8 games per year. I also don't see Saban sticking around for anymore than 2 or 3 more years. It's going to be very interesting when the Alabama job opens up.
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Ya I don't see who's going to hire him for the NFL when he gets fired at aTm. They might battle msu for last in the West this year. Unless Chavis bails him out like he has been doing Les for all these years.
 
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