Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXIX

[UTJoe]

We already had computers choose the championship and people hated it then, too. Truth is, people jist like to complain.

You misspelled "just".

C'mon man, give me a break! How can we take your posts seriously if you misspell "just"?

 

[BaldBiker]

RF is the sunshine pumper forum. No one learned from end of Dooley & Sunseri's tenure.

I don't see anyone pumping sunshine in here about the defense. Try not to be a complete dumbass.

We don't have the defense to stop anyone. I expect both Missouri and even Vandy to be shootouts like kentucky

I actually agree with this statement. We don't. We have a decimated DT rotation. We have a decimated LB rotation (even with DK back, because he isn't 100%), We've had to rotate DB's like a carousel due to injury. We have literally had two defensive starters not get hurt this season and actually that may be down to one now.

You in fact are correct, but we don't have to stop teams every time to win. Stop them enough for us to outscore them is all we are looking for at this point. It's pretty much all we can hope for too.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

RF is the sunshine pumper forum. No one learned from end of Dooley & Sunseri's tenure.

Just what the hell are you talking about? I learned what 5 win seasons were under Dooley. And you?

 

[chavisut]

I'll take Shoop.

 

[Orange Studs]

I'll take Shoop.

I second that!

 

[Smokey123]

Everyone always talks about how Stripling is one of the best coaches on staff. But it seems like the Dline always struggles until we get to the final couple games? Maybe it's just me?

 

[ob79]

Yep, cause any DC could lose almost their entire starting defense as well as many backups, be forced to play 4th and 5th stringers at multiple positions and not miss a beat! Heck, other DCs could still field a top 25 defense with their 4th string D. Come on guys! Shoop has to be terrible

I am literally dumbfounded by people that don't see the logic in this.

We're a play away from calling up the local frat house and asking for able-bodied students with middle school experience playing the game of American football.

 

[ob79]

There are a lot of ignorant people on here these days. Comparing Shoop to Sunseri....hell, or even Jancek for that matter.


Edit: Let me correct myself on something. I should not have used the word ignorant. Ignorant by definition means lack of knowledge. What you guys are showing is complete stupidity.

This.

 

[ob79]

Jancek knew the personale and would have absolutely not allowed complete meltdowns like shoop has. His defenses were prepared and shoops aren't. Shoop is the better in game coach but when you spot the opponent an opening drive TD every game it gets old.

You are the worst revisionist historian ever.

Or you're sniffing glue.

Either way, stop.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

If Shoop's defense doesn't hold teams to under 10 points a game next year....all the morons on here will want him fired.

It's not a football season around here unless we fire atleast one person.

Lol.smh.

 

[franklinpence]

You did the wise thing by just letting it go. Bruin lives in his own little bubble world of make believe.

And tries his damndest to drag us in there with him.

 

[LA Vol]

If we're going to fire someone, there are better candidates than Shoop. Doubt we actually fire anyone, though.

 

[Atzar]

He isn't terrible but he has been a disappointment plain and simple.

You're a new defensive coordinator. Your new players may know your reputation, but they aren't familiar with your scheme on any intricate level. Fans think there was a lot of similarity between you and your predecessor, but in reality the reads, assignments and tendencies aren't exactly what your players are used to.

You spend the offseason working with your starters, teaching them where to be and when to be there. They're talented, they pick it up quickly.

Then, one by one, they get injured. They're replaced by backups: in this case not as much experience, in that case not as much talent, in all cases not who you spent most of your time with in the offseason. So there are more slow reactions, more blown assignments. But the injuries keep coming. Now you're scrambling. You're digging deep into the depth chart now; a few guys are having to play entirely out of position. They have even less talent and experience. You throw away most of your playbook - you're fortunate just to get all of these guys lined up right on any given play.

Do you see why this would lead to a struggle on defense? If he had been here for a few years already, I would hear your viewpoint. Then these deep bench players would be guys with system familiarity - maybe they aren't as talented as the guys ahead of them on the depth chart, but they've been around a few years and they generally know where to be. Shoop doesn't have that luxury. He's dealing with players with no experience, a deficit on talent and a lack of knowledge.

IMO expecting anything from the defense is unreasonable given the current circumstances. This year is an anomaly.

 

[VolGee4]

Jancek knew the personale and would have absolutely not allowed complete meltdowns like shoop has. His defenses were prepared and shoops aren't. Shoop is the better in game coach but when you spot the opponent an opening drive TD every game it gets old.

Shoop most likely would have won last year's UF game and sent us to Atlanta. That argument is with proof from our defensive performance in the second half of this year's game when they were missing 3 key players. You are starting to spout some nonsense. It also gets old when you keep beating this drumb.

 

[VolGee4]

RF is the sunshine pumper forum. No one learned from end of Dooley & Sunseri's tenure.

Looks nothing like it. We beat UF and UGA, which Dooley couldn't do and Butch hasn't lost to UK, which Dooley did. What's similar? Oh, we have a proven DC whose defense is struggling, and Dooley had a first time DC whose defense was the worst in school history. Again, what's similar?

The *****ing remains the same.

 

[BruinVol]

You're a new defensive coordinator. Your new players may know your reputation, but they aren't familiar with your scheme on any intricate level. Fans think there was a lot of similarity between you and your predecessor, but in reality the reads, assignments and tendencies aren't exactly what your players are used to.

You spend the offseason working with your starters, teaching them where to be and when to be there. They're talented, they pick it up quickly.

Then, one by one, they get injured. They're replaced by backups: in this case not as much experience, in that case not as much talent, in all cases not who you spent most of your time with in the offseason. So there are more slow reactions, more blown assignments. But the injuries keep coming. Now you're scrambling. You're digging deep into the depth chart now; a few guys are having to play entirely out of position. They have even less talent and experience. You throw away most of your playbook - you're fortunate just to get all of these guys lined up right on any given play.

Do you see why this would lead to a struggle on defense? If he had been here for a few years already, I would hear your viewpoint. Then these deep bench players would be guys with system familiarity - maybe they aren't as talented as the guys ahead of them on the depth chart, but they've been around a few years and they generally know where to be. Shoop doesn't have that luxury. He's dealing with players with no experience, a deficit on talent and a lack of knowledge.

IMO expecting anything from the defense is unreasonable given the current circumstances. This year is an anomaly.

You just made my point of saying Jancek would have done better with this team

Yes I will take shoop long term but the adjustment period coupled with poor game planning and injuries was a recipe for a poor year for the defense and Shoop.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I'd love to see AK on the Pats. He'd feast

He would be a perennial pro-bowler on the Pats.

I believe Kamara will be a success anywhere he goes. Kid just has IT.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Charlie Campbell has AK going to the giants at No.23 overall now. Said that scouts believe he has Jamal Charles type of upside

Ronald Jones II (USC) is the next Jamal Charles.

Kamara reminds me more of Marshall Faulk. He's more stocky and compact than Jamal Charles. In terms of build and skillset he's Marshall Faulk.

 

[LA Vol]

It's a shame Kamara won't return and have the final year he should have had this year. He didn't get nearly enough touches.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Reminds me of Marshall Faulk.

Agreed.

Both are 5'10" 215. Both are more quick than fast though they do have great speed. Both can also run between the tackles effectively but also catch the ball from the slot.

Alvin Kamara = Marshall Faulk 2.0

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I cannot believe he hasn't been the feature back for the last two years after seeing what he is capable of the last several games!! So frustrating! A true VFL tho to stick it out!

Just wait.

In 3 years Kamara, Sutton, Kirkland, Hurd, and Dobbs will all be pro-bowlers in the pros and we'll be wondering why we couldn't win more games here with so much elite NFL talent.

 

[AV_12]

Just wait.

In 3 years Kamara, Sutton, Kirkland, Hurd, and Dobbs will all be pro-bowlers in the pros and we'll be wondering why we couldn't win more games here with so much elite NFL talent.

Dude just stop please

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dude just stop please

Remember those names.

That's our 6 best players in terms of pro potential in the senior through sophomore classes.

It's too early to judge the freshmen.

 

[vol2002]

Shoop most likely would have won last year's UF game and sent us to Atlanta. That argument is with proof from our defensive performance in the second half of this year's game when they were missing 3 key players. You are starting to spout some nonsense. It also gets old when you keep beating this drumb.

Starting to spout some nonsense?!?

He started that years ago and has been on my ignore list ever since. id advise you to do the same. ;-)

 

[VolGee4]

Starting to spout some nonsense?!?

He started that years ago and has been on my ignore list ever since. id advise you to do the same. ;-)

Yea, every now and then Bruin may have a point. Whether it's logical or not though, he will beat that horse to death. I have been close but have never put anyone on ignore.