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Can someone explain why we ran Hurd with Dobbs under center in the bowl game with success and haven't done it once this season?

We went under center one time that I remember and went play action and got sacked but I don't think we have ran out of it once this year. Maybe with Kamara out it would be good time to revisit it in the coming weeks.
 
Oh yea. Well you sux too.

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You're going to need to lay low for awhile
 
Fahr Deboring!!!! That way we can hurry up and get to griping about our next future ex OC.

I know I am going to get flamed, burned,taken out to an undisclosed located and never be heard from again when I say this but.....

I wish we didn't have that history with Kiffin. I still can't stand the guy. But let's say things never happen and he was available hire for OC. Would you guys want him instead of Debord? Just a conversation question. :angel:
 
I'm not a doctor, but I know a little about the subject. Anyone with more knowledge can feel free to correct me.

Connective tissue doesn't "toughen up to resist" injuries, due to harder practices. It can break down through overuse/under recovery, but the reports from camp were that the practices were less physical, so you can't go there.

Let's see... are our players stronger than ever? I'm not sure, but even if not, decreases in strength during training would absolutely be corrected, by anyone with even half of a brain. As much as Butch analyzes, you think he doesn't have their gym numbers in front of him, critiquing missed reps and drops in strength? Strength does not seem to be an issue, and connective tissue develops with an increase in muscle size.

Conditioning. Our guys don't get winded. They are in phenomenal cardiovascular conditioning.

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The fact is, the coaches took a less physical approach in fall camp, and no matter what you say, that really does not have any impact on the injuries, except in a positive way. As long as strength was not compromised in the gym, and thus, muscle loss, hitting each other only causes wear and tear, which is why you saw so many preseason injuries last year.

When huge, genetically elite players smash into each other for hours a week, 15+ weeks of the year, things tear, break, and break down. These are the facts, and we are simply seeing a statistically higher amount of injuries to key players than in recent memory. If you were to run statistical analysis over the past 4 years, you would likely see very similar numbers over all programs.

Last season, we were pretty dang healthy, this year, it's bad. Statistically, that probably washes out to average.

That was truly impressive!

Does that mean that it's now up to me to kill the cobra? Danggit :)
 
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Up until last week Debord has put up enough points to win every game he's coached.

People have been waiting for DeBord to fail since the day he was hired.

He's 60 but looks 75, came from Central Michigan, and wasn't coaching when he was hired. Probably the most ho-hum hire possible when it was announced.

But he DOES have a national championship on his resume, which is a greater accomplishment than any coach we have at the moment.

And like you said--his offense puts up points. I think it goes back to the abysmal 2013 offense and the early 2014 offense with Worley. Those games made a strong impression in people's minds that Butch's offense doesn't work, but Dobbs has proven that it does.
 
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Would you say that repeated beatings result in optimal performance?

Related...

Let's say in theory, a player's injury occurred during his 122nd snap of the season. All other things being equal, how does it make sense that subjecting him to an additional 100 snaps during practice is going to benefit him. Doesn't that just move the time till injury closer?

Top causes of injuries are dehydration and decreased flexibility.
If tissue is dehydrated, then it is essentially more brittle (less tensile strength to resist injury)
If a muscle is less flexible, it cannot give or resist trauma as readily. It can also shed more of the force to tendons, ligaments and other tissues (shoulder labral tear anyone?)

Not sure if this applies to our team...sincerely hope not.
 
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People have been waiting for DeBord to fail since the day he was hired.

He's 60 but looks 75, came from Central Michigan, and wasn't coaching when he was hired. Probably the most ho-hum hire possible when it was announced.

But he DOES have a national championship on his resume, which is a greater accomplishment than any coach we have at the moment.

And like you said--his offense puts up points. I think it goes back to the abysmal 2013 offense and the early 2014 offense with Worley. Those games made a strong impression in people's minds that Butch's offense doesn't work, but Dobbs has proven that it does.

Yea to be fair to Debord there was a bunch of drops by our WR in the first couple of games and man the fumbles.
 
Chris Petersen starting 6-0 in the Pac 12 I guess has him back to being the "it" coach again after losing 16 games in the past 3 seasons.

It's still the Pac 12 and there's a long way to go in this season.
Yeah, take a look at those UDub Wins...

Not to impressive

We'll see how things work out
 
Yeah, take a look at those UDub Wins...

Not to impressive

We'll see how things work out

Which most likely would have been UDub losses the last decade or so. He almost hung a cool Hyundai @Oregon.

He proved how well he could coach at Boise year after year. I think he'll do well at Washington.
 
Which most likely would have been UDub losses the last decade or so. He almost hung a cool Hyundai @Oregon.

He proved how well he could coach at Boise year after year. I think he'll do well at Washington.

He's doing well but he doesn't have any good wins. Everybody gets atleast 50 on Oregon though seems like.
 
I agree. I don't see anyone on the defensive side of the ball in any way on a hot seat. All are sitting cool. On the offensive side I have enjoyed having Gillespie. He has been a good coach and love his enthusiasm on the sideline. For a former Gator I am very glad he is a Vol. Happy with Scott, although I will admit our TE's have taken a huge step back this year in performance. Wolf especially as he has been a non-existent force on the field this year. Croom I was hoping would be more than what he has been so far. Really hoping these two bring it the last half of the regular season. Still holding out hope for Croom. I have enjoyed him on our team for whatever reason.
I wouldn't say our TEs have taken a huge step back. They just haven't shown the improvement you'd expect to see year to year. Wolf looks the same as he did as a freshman.

Croom was always going to be a project at TE, but he's struggles holding onto the ball even on easy throws over the middle.
 
What makes Harbaugh ELITE are the 3 programs that he inherited and within 2 years those programs won conf championships even in the NFL, he did the same thing and after he left SF.........look how bad they got PRETTY FAST.........

He's gotta at leads get to the playoffs (if not win a national championship) before he can truly be considered elite IMO.


He's definitely on the cusp and deserves to be in that conversation at this point though, that's undebatable.
 
Bucky is not elite, but he has beaten Saban twice in three years with a shot to win this season with a depleted roster. Understand the potential NCAA issues. He is having to recruit to Ole Miss after all. If he has cheated and gets caught he will go down.

Debored is responsible for all of the offense, including all receivers. If receivers are dropping an inordinate amount of passes, he is ultimately responsible for that changing. The problems may be the players used or the techniques taught need changing. Some of the receivers have been around for years now. It should not be happening repeatedly. An occasional drop, no problem, it happens. Too many comes back to coaches - recruiting, developing, and using the most effective players to perform at a high level.

FWIW - You go get Tom Herman if you are looking for a HC this off season. If not you watch and analyze. Hopefully, Butch gets it done and it doesn't even come up as an issue.
 
Top causes of injuries are dehydration and decreased flexibility.
If tissue is dehydrated, then it is essentially more brittle (less tensile strength to resist injury)
If a muscle is less flexible, it cannot give or resist trauma as readily. It can also shed more of the force to tendons, ligaments and other tissues (shoulder labral tear anyone?)

Not sure if this applies to our team...sincerely hope not.

Good info Doc. enjoyed reading that.
 
What makes Harbaugh ELITE are the 3 programs that he inherited and within 2 years those programs won conf championships even in the NFL, he did the same thing and after he left SF.........look how bad they got PRETTY FAST.........

I don't think Harbaugh ever won the PAC 12 actually.
 
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One of the things I find frustrating about football as a sport is that there are so few games. Of course, there's good reason why. But with baseball and basketball, it's common for good teams to have occasional games where because of minor injuries, fatigue, or just a bad night, your team comes out flat, plays a bad game and gets blown out. But you get to rest up and play a game either the next night or in the next couple of days, and put it behind you and move on. People notice the big loss, but they don't put a ton of weight on that game because they get to see very soon how the team responds before drawing any conclusions.

With football, if you lose a single game big for any of the same reasons (e.g., injuries, fatigue) you have to sit around for a week or two until you play next, and in the meantime everyone completely overanalyzes and dissects the big loss, and loses their minds as they draw broad, sweeping absolute conclusions about the state of your program and how your coaches and (backup) players were and always have been overrated and how you'll never win another title again. It's mind numbing.

Why can't a bad night just simply be a bad night in football?

It is
Your problem is listening to all the talking heads.
Also the doom and gloomers from the FF and RF on VN

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Bucky is not elite, but he has beaten Saban twice in three years with a shot to win this season with a depleted roster. Understand the potential NCAA issues. He is having to recruit to Ole Miss after all. If he has cheated and gets caught he will go down.

Debored is responsible for all of the offense, including all receivers. If receivers are dropping an inordinate amount of passes, he is ultimately responsible for that changing. The problems may be the players used or the techniques taught need changing. Some of the receivers have been around for years now. It should not be happening repeatedly. An occasional drop, no problem, it happens. Too many comes back to coaches - recruiting, developing, and using the most effective players to perform at a high level.

FWIW - You go get Tom Herman if you are looking for a HC this off season. If not you watch and analyze. Hopefully, Butch gets it done and it doesn't even come up as an issue.

Go get Charlie Strong when Texas gets rid of him. He's a good coach and great recruiter.
 
Top causes of injuries are dehydration and decreased flexibility.
If tissue is dehydrated, then it is essentially more brittle (less tensile strength to resist injury)
If a muscle is less flexible, it cannot give or resist trauma as readily. It can also shed more of the force to tendons, ligaments and other tissues (shoulder labral tear anyone?)

Not sure if this applies to our team...sincerely hope not.

Good stuff, doc. Thanks for the info.

Observation from fall camp practice (very hot day) - no mandatory fluid breaks during drills/scrimmage sessions over two 45+ minute periods. Fluids are available, but there were next to no players that stopped to get any as they moved between drills/scrimmage sessions over the period. One good 15-20 minute sit-down break with fluids in the shade.

Probably not much to draw any conclusions.
 
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