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[LA Vol]

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The Knoxville media ran a video and screen shot/photo, along with personal info, that basically identifies the cited but unnamed former UT football player accused of sexual assault in the Title IX lawsuit.

 

[BruinVol]

The Knoxville media ran a video and screen shot/photo, along with personal info, that basically identifies the cited but unnamed former UT football player accused of sexual assault in the Title IX lawsuit.

Thanks


Was this unnamed player a case we havnt heard about before?

 

[LA Vol]

Thanks


Was this unnamed player a case we havnt heard about before?

He's cited in the lawsuit. He wasn't suspended or arrested, so the accusation wasn't public knowledge. KPD and UT opened investigations in September, no evidence of misconduct was found and the DA declined to file charges in December.

 

[BruinVol]

He's cited in the lawsuit. He wasn't suspended or arrested, so the accusation wasn't public knowledge. KPD and UT opened investigations in September, no evidence of misconduct was found and the DA declined to file charges in December.

Appreciate the info

 

[2ez2dv8]

Oklahoma State hired a home run.

Huge get for OK ST

 

[2ez2dv8]

The final judge of the abilities of Randolph and McNeil will be the NFL. Even Justin Coleman showed that he had more ability to play the game than he showed at UT. It just took the right situation and the right coaches developing him. Maybe that can happen with R & M. Only time will tell. I am thankful they stuck it out and did the best they could. They get the honor of being guys that led the program back to respectability.

That being said, I doubt there will be any worrisome concerns with who Shoop plays at the positions this fall. Give me TKJr and Evan any and every day of the week. Mix in some Gaulden and I've got zero worries.

Coleman's a good athlete the one thing imo that most affected his game was failing to keep his head on a swivel and find the 'ball

 

[Aesius]

Huge get for OK ST

Yep. K-State screwed up by not getting rid of Weber sooner and bringing Underwood home.

 

[jave36]

Coleman's a good athlete the one thing imo that most affected his game was failing to keep his head on a swivel and find the 'ball

I don't see how that caused him to be multiple steps behind his man more often than anyone else on the team.

He still does the same thing in the pros on the rare occasion they put him 1v1, but they're smart enough to put him in a position to succeed and use his strengths instead of trying to make him do things he can't do.

 

[govols24]

I saw where a Cal beat writer tweeted that there were rumblings that OK State might have been a possible landing spot for Cuonzo. He has 3 players that might leave for the draft and only has one recruit for the 2016 class so far. Looks like he's trying to jump off of a sinking ship.

 

[2ez2dv8]

Yep. K-State screwed up by not getting rid of Weber sooner and bringing Underwood home.

He my preferred choice to replace DT.

 

[Aesius]

I saw where a Cal beat writer tweeted that there were rumblings that OK State might have been a possible landing spot for Cuonzo. He has 3 players that might leave for the draft and only has one recruit for the 2016 class so far. Looks like he's trying to jump off of a sinking ship.

Racists in Berkeley running him out of town, IMO.

 

[2ez2dv8]

I don't see how that caused him to be multiple steps behind his man more often than anyone else on the team.

He still does the same thing in the pros on the rare occasion they put him 1v1, but they're smart enough to put him in a position to succeed and use his strengths instead of trying to make him do things he can't do.

Did you see where I said "most" affected?

Sure, he got beat, but so does everyone players like Sanders had the speed to make up for it.

 

[2ez2dv8]

I am not discounting their contributions as I stated previously. But, I think they were playing because of experience and making the correct reads.

You're making my (OP) point

The ability to read (and react to) plays is synonymous with talent not experience, plenty of FR, RSFR, SO, as well as RSO's started over more experienced players

I am just not sure that they were "above average" in speed compared to other SEC safeties. McNeil could have a been a hybrid LB. Even if you are fast (like Berry), reading the play is just as important because a wrong read can slow you down.

They were above avg by comparison with Kentucky, Mizzou, VU and an argument can be made vs. ARK and GA too, imo
So could have Landon Collins. Lots of DB’s fit the “DB-LB hybrid” mold doesn’t mean they are not fast conversely they have both size and speed

They were above avg to I think we now have some guys who have the experience to read the play along with the speed to make the play. JMO.

I have no doubt that this secondary will excel, Shoop's a DB savant

 

[Nashvegas31]

I saw where a Cal beat writer tweeted that there were rumblings that OK State might have been a possible landing spot for Cuonzo. He has 3 players that might leave for the draft and only has one recruit for the 2016 class so far. Looks like he's trying to jump off of a sinking ship.

Cuonzo sucks. So overrated by his peers. Does less with more instead of more with less. I still get annoyed at anyone claiming it he got a raw deal at TN. The petition was stupid but the criticism was 100% warranted. Before the petition that loaded team was on the brink of missing the tourney which was unacceptable. We finally saw what they were capable of when they got ticked off and finally bought in. However they were playing to the attitude of their coach. He was way too relaxed like nothing mattered and they played that way. Then he got mad and the team took on that persona and made late run. That team should not have been a play in team. It was a lock NCAA team that he almost screwed up.

 

[bcmbvol]

You're making my (OP) point

The ability to read (and react to) plays is synonymous with talent not experience, plenty of FR, RSFR, SO, as well as RSO's started over more experienced players.

To me, reading a play would fall under the category of pattern recognition, meaning experience would in fact trump talent in that regard.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Cuonzo sucks. So overrated by his peers. Does less with more instead of more with less. I still get annoyed at anyone claiming it he got a raw deal at TN. The petition was stupid but the criticism was 100% warranted. Before the petition that loaded team was on the brink of missing the tourney which was unacceptable. We finally saw what they were capable of when they got ticked off and finally bought in. However they were playing to the attitude of their coach. He was way too relaxed like nothing mattered and they played that way. Then he got mad and the team took on that persona and made late run. That team should not have been a play in team. It was a lock NCAA team that he almost screwed up.

I'm convinced that most of the success his teams have is due almost entirely to how well he conditions them.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Made his top 7

Robert Beal, Norcross, Weak-Side Defensive End

 

[2ez2dv8]

To me, reading a play would fall under the category of pattern recognition, meaning experience would in fact trump talent in that regard.

Agree, read and react can and should improve with experience but at this level most players (Kongbo and the like the rare exception) have the experience, talent and performance are / is what separates those individuals

 

[highspeed]

I'm convinced that most of the success his teams have is due almost entirely to how well he conditions them.

I haven't followed Cal much at all, but players recruited by Bruce Pearl helped Cuonzo win a lot of games here. There is no doubt in my mind that if he had stayed at UT another year we would have seen a huge drop-off in year four because he just wasn't recruiting well enough to continue winning at a decent level.

The most telling thing to me is that (had he stayed) his fourth UT team would have been the first to be composed entirely of players he identified, scouted, recruited, and signed, and I don't see any reasonable way to argue that it would not have been his worst team here. That's a really bad sign for the direction of the program. Fans who pay close attention to basketball saw what was coming, and I think that had a lot to do with the backlash against him in his final year (in addition to the team badly underachieving throughout much of the season of course).

 

[VolGee4]

To me, reading a play would fall under the category of pattern recognition, meaning experience would in fact trump talent in that regard.

Yea, I agree. It's like anything else in life- the more you practice, the better you get. The experience is reading the keys and plays and knowing where to be and how to react. The talent is getting there on time and making the play. Sure, there is some overlap, but that's how I would categorize it.

 

[The Breakerboy]

https://vimeo.com/158976122

Shoop has CBs jumping routes already. Also was good to see P.Williams elevate and catch on Martin.

Also I'm a Shoop fan. I'll be rooting for him no matter where he goes as a head coach(be it outside the SEC &#128513.

 

[Go Fight Win]

Shoop has CBs jumping routes already. Also was good to see P.Williams elevate and catch on Martin.

Also I'm a Shoop fan. I'll be rooting for him no matter where he goes as a head coach(be it outside the SEC &#128513.

I'm sure shoop was a dream hire for you. Sounds like he knows his stuff

 

[Catbone]

Hope he's still here after this year. He will be a good HC one day imo

 

[butchna]

I haven't followed Cal much at all, but players recruited by Bruce Pearl helped Cuonzo win a lot of games here. There is no doubt in my mind that if he had stayed at UT another year we would have seen a huge drop-off in year four because he just wasn't recruiting well enough to continue winning at a decent level.

The most telling thing to me is that (had he stayed) his fourth UT team would have been the first to be composed entirely of players he identified, scouted, recruited, and signed, and I don't see any reasonable way to argue that it would not have been his worst team here. That's a really bad sign for the direction of the program. Fans who pay close attention to basketball saw what was coming, and I think that had a lot to do with the backlash against him in his final year (in addition to the team badly underachieving throughout much of the season of course).

We lost two top guards due to Bruce being fired...Ware and Jones. They had mixed bag of results elsewhere but it's impossible to project how they would have fared in Knoxville...as well as other potential recruits who hesitated to sign on while the NCAA mess was going on and completely ruled us out after Pearl was let go. Zo managed to scrounge Washpun out of the wash (forgot the others), are you completely ruling out that Bruce would have done better? Or coached the players he left behind more to their style. You might've been right...if he didn't get fired. No way you KNOW that.

 

[highspeed]

We lost two top guards due to Bruce being fired...Ware and Jones. They had mixed bag of results elsewhere but it's impossible to project how they would have fared in Knoxville...as well as other potential recruits who hesitated to sign on while the NCAA mess was going on and completely ruled us out after Pearl was let go. Zo managed to scrounge Washpun out of the wash (forgot the others), are you completely ruling out that Bruce would have done better? Or coached the players he left behind more to their style. You might've been right...if he didn't get fired. No way you KNOW that.

I'm talking about the Donnie Tyndall year. I'm saying that if Cuonzo had stayed and coached the team last year, it would have been his worst team at UT because the talent level was dropping precipitously due to Cuonzo's poor recruiting. I think Cuonzo knew that as well and that played a role in him jumping to Cal. He basically bought himself a few more years at the high major level with a 7 figure salary. Smart move on his part really.