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Lovesomebigorange said:
Volatil solid post- sorry I must have missed it, which players were going to commit and didn't? This is a puzzling recruiting cycle for sure. One could argue we had a better year last year than Georgia especially with our finish, and even with a new unproven head coach, their recruiting is on fire. We just seem to be puttering along.
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Gray and Fant
 
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LA Vol said:
No, it could not have been settled a year ago. That's not how the legal system works. UT will settle this lawsuit when the insurance carriers decide to settle and for the amount they deem appropriate. Attorneys won't even float serious numbers until after discovery.

UT's not letting CBJ go over a money grab that has nothing to do with criminal behavior and has even less to do with Team 120. Some meritless civil suit won't negatively affect recruiting half as much as the fallout from continuing to lose to our rivals or failing to win the SECE. Win and the recruits will come.
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Ok so maybe not a year ago, but LWS mentioned that Jones was frustrated because UT was presented with the chance to settle last fall but chose not to. The dude knows his stuff. And based on what he says, some of the negative pub could have been avoided.

And I don't think Jones should nor would get fired over any of this but it absolutely opens the door for opposing coaches to creatively speculate about it all they want to prospects and their families. In that respect, I guarantee it affects recruiting.
 
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volatil said:
I don't think he's going to UNC.

He's blowing up with offers now. Clemson this past week.

I like the kid but I have had some question if he's an SEC player. He has some head scratching games then completely dominates in others. For instance, I told a good friend of mine about my concerns prior to the playoff game against Bradley Central. Bonds took over the game. 2 INTS and made every tackle. My friend, from Cleveland, said I'm the worst evaluator of talent he's ever seen.
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I was at that game. He balled
 
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Anyone board tonight should flip it to espn news.

Great documentary on nick Chubb.

Hard not to like that kid after seeing this
 
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MrVolton said:
Ok so maybe not a year ago, but LWS mentioned that Jones was frustrated because UT was presented with the chance to settle last fall but chose not to. The dude knows his stuff. And based on what he says, some of the negative pub could have been avoided.

And I don't think Jones should nor would get fired over any of this but it absolutely opens the door for opposing coaches to creatively speculate about it all they want to prospects and their families. In that respect, I guarantee it affects recruiting.
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I would really like to know what LWS is saying about trying to settle last fall. The only way that was even possible was if the plaintiffs' attorneys sent a demand letter and outlined the nature of their potential suit. Otherwise, no one knew that the suit was coming.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I would really like to know what LWS is saying about trying to settle last fall. The only way that was even possible was if the plaintiffs' attorneys sent a demand letter and outlined the nature of their potential suit. Otherwise, no one knew that the suit was coming.
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He has several posts about it in the Remember Attrition? thread over in the football forum. Dude usually knows what he's talking about.
 
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volatil said:
Recruiting is always a crapshoot but this year has been exhausting.

Kids hate us then love us after Shoop.

Kids are going to commit then don't.

I can't remember a more confusing year in recruiting. Thankfully it's really early and we do have an incredible recruiter in Butch.

Not losing sleep by any means but I have to say this is puzzling.

We have to win big this year. Winning cures everything.
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Selling the dream can only go so far. This year is Butch's prove it year. Just win. If they do, the floodgates will open for years.
 
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MrVolton said:
Ok so maybe not a year ago, but LWS mentioned that Jones was frustrated because UT was presented with the chance to settle last fall but chose not to. The dude knows his stuff. And based on what he says, some of the negative pub could have been avoided.

And I don't think Jones should nor would get fired over any of this but it absolutely opens the door for opposing coaches to creatively speculate about it all they want to prospects and their families. In that respect, I guarantee it affects recruiting.
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The suit was filed in February 2016. As VolGee notes, the only way to resolve the matter prior to filing was to open negotiations based on a demand letter. No public university is going to do that-- and no liability carrier is going to allow it. Not in a case like this. It's frustrating for everyone, but Butch is a smart guy and he understands that it's a process.

Other schools have always recruited against UT, and now that we're resuming relevancy, negative recruiting is escalating. Failure to close big games, questionable in-game coaching, embarrassing losing streaks to rivals, not getting players in the NFL, etc. etc. -- IMO, these claims are more relevant to recruits than a Title IX lawsuit about whether TUAPA ensures compliance with federal law. But who knows-- maybe recruits really care about UT's administrative procedure.
 
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LA Vol said:
The suit was filed in February 2016. As VolGee notes, the only way to resolve the matter prior to filing was to open negotiations based on a demand letter. No public university is going to do that-- and no liability carrier is going to allow it. Not in a case like this. It's frustrating for everyone, but Butch is a smart guy and he understands that it's a process.

Other schools have always recruited against UT, and now that we're resuming relevancy, negative recruiting is escalating. Failure to close big games, questionable in-game coaching, embarrassing losing streaks to rivals, not getting players in the NFL, etc. etc. -- IMO, these claims are more relevant to recruits than a Title IX lawsuit about whether TUAPA ensures compliance with federal law. But who knows-- maybe recruits really care about UT's administrative procedure.
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I'm not looking to argue about the legal aspects of wether or not UT could have settled last fall. I lack the knowledge and don't plan on putting in the time to acquire it just for the sake of argument. I brought that up based solely on what LWS said, and anyone that's ever paid attention to any Vol-related website forum knows that dude is usually money.

And yes, I guarantee all those issues are being used to recruit against us right now. I think some of those criticisms such as in-game decisions last year are fair while others, specifically the part about putting guys in the NFL recently, are not. And you are absolutely correct about recruits not being concerned with UT's administrative processes or Title IX compliance. However, you also seem like a competent enough guy to realize that's not the issue. It's the collateral stuff like the Bowles saga that opens the door for opposing coaches to raise all sorts of doubts (much of it unsubstantial) in the minds of parents and prospects. My point is this: Folks can be in denial all they want and it may not be the primary focus of any negative recruiting, but make no mistake, the stink around the lawsuit provides ammunition for opposing coaches. Saban, Dabo, and Kirby don't need any more ammunition.
 
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Wow. The idiots have been running wild in here the last couple of days.

Let me see if I have this right.

Last years Top 15 class was shi**y. Is that correct? :huh:
 
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BaldBiker said:
Wow. The idiots have been running wild in here the last couple of days.

Let me see if I have this right.

Last years Top 15 class was shi**y. Is that correct? :huh:
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I think last year's top 15 class could ultimately end up being better than some of the top 5 classes we've had over the last 15+ years.
 
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Too early to pass judgment on 2016.

If it pans out the way 2015 has, where literally 90%+ of the class looks to be anywhere from superstars to solid contributors, then we will be in great shape moving forward.

But if it turns out like 2014, which was highly rated but suffered from a lot of attrition and busts, we will be in trouble unless Butch and co. can pull in a loaded 2017 class. You can't have two down years in recruiting or even two "good but not great" years in a row in the SEC and not have it severely affect on the field performance.
 
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Aesius said:
Too early to pass judgment on 2016.

If it pans out the way 2015 has, where literally 90%+ of the class looks to be anywhere from superstars to solid contributors, then we will be in great shape moving forward.

But if it turns out like 2014, which was highly rated but suffered from a lot of attrition and busts, we will be in trouble unless Butch and co. can pull in a loaded 2017 class. You can't have two down years in recruiting or even two "good but not great" years in a row in the SEC and not have it severely affect on the field performance.
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'14 class is still strong. I get what you're saying, but that class was bound to have high attrition.
 
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chavisut said:
'14 class is still strong. I get what you're saying, but that class was bound to have high attrition.
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Yeah, it's top heavy at this point which is fine when you can follow it up with a class like 2015 which is loaded top to bottom.

2016 class looks to be similarly top heavy. The question marks for me are guys like Tatum, Pope, Niehaus, Blakely, etc. Need at least 2-3 of the guys on the lower end of the rankings to be Ethan Wolf/Jashon Robertson/Chance Hall type players who outperform their ratings.
 
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What in the world has happened to the RF??? Is everyone suffering from altitude sickness??? Now all our recent recruiting classes are nothing??? Summer workouts and preseason camp can't get here fast enough!!! Everyone just needs to take a deep breath. The 2017 class will be just fine, just like the 2014, 2015, and 2016 one's were.
 
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