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[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You're kidding right? This has to be a joke.

How do you know if 20 players will be impact guys?

Partially based on practice reports of which guys look to be contributors. But also based on my own evaluations.

I'm gifted at this sort of thing.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Partially based on practice reports of which guys look to be contributors. But also based on my own evaluations.

I'm gifted at this sort of thing.

opcorn:

 

[UTJoe]

The suit was filed in February 2016. As VolGee notes, the only way to resolve the matter prior to filing was to open negotiations based on a demand letter. No public university is going to do that-- and no liability carrier is going to allow it. Not in a case like this. It's frustrating for everyone, but Butch is a smart guy and he understands that it's a process.

Other schools have always recruited against UT, and now that we're resuming relevancy, negative recruiting is escalating. Failure to close big games, questionable in-game coaching, embarrassing losing streaks to rivals, not getting players in the NFL, VOLNATION, etc. etc. -- IMO, these claims are more relevant to recruits than a Title IX lawsuit about whether TUAPA ensures compliance with federal law. But who knows-- maybe recruits really care about UT's administrative procedure.

Dude, fyp. lol:

 

[Catbone]

Who am I?

 

[volfanCLT]

Last years class was terrible. That's empirical fact. Top 5 classes compete for national titles. Not top 15.

The only saving grace to the poor recruiting is that 2016 was a year largely devoid of elite talent. As long as we can land top 5 classes in 2017 and 2018, we should be fine.

However, we can't have a repeat of 2016. If we do, we're going backwards.

Interesting you would say this. UT has an average class rating of 11.5 over the last 4 recruiting cycles.

The other day you say anything less than a national championship would be a disappointment.

So which is it?

 

[Aesius]

Speaking of 'crootin:

Vandy football literally has no future right now.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Last years class was terrible. That's empirical fact. Top 5 classes compete for national titles. Not top 15.

The only saving grace to the poor recruiting is that 2016 was a year largely devoid of elite talent. As long as we can land top 5 classes in 2017 and 2018, we should be fine.

However, we can't have a repeat of 2016. If we do, we're going backwards.

2016 class was not terrible. Marquez Callaway, Nigel Warrior, Tyler Byrd, CFA, Bituli, JG, Kongbo, and etc....oh yeah real horrible.

 

[butchna]

2016 class was not terrible. Marquez Callaway, Nigel Warrior, Tyler Byrd, CFA, Bituli, JG, Kongbo, and etc....oh yeah real horrible.

He said Tyler Byrd was Dez Bryant and Sean Taylor in the same body. Total 180. :lol:

 

[AF_VOL]

When I look at the schedule each year, I break it down into 5 categories to predict the outcome. This is what I have this year:

Win: App St., Ohio, Tn Tech, UK, SC, Vandy, Mizz(=1)
Possible Win: FL, VT(=.75)
Toss Up: GA, aTm(=.5)
Possible Loss: Bammer (=.25)
Loss: =0
Total = 9.75 Wins

2015 looked like this:

Win: BG, WCU, UK, SC, N Tx, Mizz, Vandy
Possible Win:FL
Toss Up: OU, Arky
Possible Loss: GA
Loss: Bammer
Total= 9 Wins

I know, "Can't predict FL as a W until it happens", but I just don't think you can ignore how terribly FL ended the season. I wavered whether or not to put VT in the Win category. I think going to GA/aTm might cause some problems. This is the first year I don't have anyone in the "loss" category.

Would you move any of these around for your predictions?

 

[85SugarVol]

Where is EZ?

 

[Orange And Garnet]

When I look at the schedule each year, I break it down into 5 categories to predict the outcome. This is what I have this year:

Win: App St., Ohio, Tn Tech, UK, SC, Vandy, Mizz(=1)
Possible Win: FL, VT(=.75)
Toss Up: GA, aTm(=.5)
Possible Loss: Bammer (=.25)
Loss: =0
Total = 9.75 Wins




2015 looked like this:

Win: BG, WCU, UK, SC, N Tx, Mizz, Vandy
Possible Win:FL
Toss Up: OU, Arky
Possible Loss: GA
Loss: Bammer
Total= 9 Wins

I know, "Can't predict FL as a W until it happens", but I just don't think you can ignore how terribly FL ended the season. I wavered whether or not to put VT in the Win category. I think going to GA/aTm might cause some problems. This is the first year I don't have anyone in the "loss" category.

Would you move any of these around for your predictions?

I would put VT in the top category. And A&M in the possible win.

 

[CABVOL]

Where is EZ?

Agreed. Anyone know anything?

 

[AF_VOL]

I would put VT in the top category. And A&M in the possible win.

The only reason I didn't put VT as a lock is because of where we are playing. I think BMS could be pretty distracting...couple that with a slow start/nerves, and you never know what can happen. I do agree this is still very likely to be a win.

My thinking on aTm is that the West has been playing at a higher level for a few years now. A team that will probably be mid pack in the West deserves some respect...a la Arky last year. Also travelling to their house is going to make it difficult.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Interesting you would say this. UT has an average class rating of 11.5 over the last 4 recruiting cycles.

The other day you say anything less than a national championship would be a disappointment.

So which is it?

Elite junior and sophomore classes win you national titles.

Not the senior or freshmen classes. Most of the stud would-be seniors go to the NFL early. See Ohio State. They had the #2 class in 2013 but most of those guys left early for the NFL. And other than for one or two guys, freshmen are rarely ready to lead you anywhere. We had the #5 freshmen class last year. How many started? How many had a huge impact? Answer is not many and that's true nationwide.

Our sophomore and junior classes were top 5 and will make up the bulk of our 2-deep. They are the classes that matter in the rankings. Hence me title or bust outlook.

If we can't win it this year, we never will.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

2016 class was not terrible. Marquez Callaway, Nigel Warrior, Tyler Byrd, CFA, Bituli, JG, Kongbo, and etc....oh yeah real horrible.

Terrible in the sense that it's not a title winning foundation class. We'll have some good players in there much like our 2013 class. But classes like 2016 don't build the foundation for a title run.

Classes like 2014 and 2015 build championship winning foundations.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

When I look at the schedule each year, I break it down into 5 categories to predict the outcome. This is what I have this year:

Win: App St., Ohio, Tn Tech, UK, SC, Vandy, Mizz(=1)
Possible Win: FL, VT(=.75)
Toss Up: GA, aTm(=.5)
Possible Loss: Bammer (=.25)
Loss: =0
Total = 9.75 Wins

2015 looked like this:

Win: BG, WCU, UK, SC, N Tx, Mizz, Vandy
Possible Win:FL
Toss Up: OU, Arky
Possible Loss: GA
Loss: Bammer
Total= 9 Wins

I know, "Can't predict FL as a W until it happens", but I just don't think you can ignore how terribly FL ended the season. I wavered whether or not to put VT in the Win category. I think going to GA/aTm might cause some problems. This is the first year I don't have anyone in the "loss" category.

Would you move any of these around for your predictions?

Virginia Tech is a definite win.

Only games in doubt are Florida, Georgia, A&M, and Alabama.

The rest should be over at half-time.

 

[Smokey123]

Our Average star ranking was higher in the 2016 class than the 2015 and 2014 class.... But ok D4H

 

[rekinhavoc]

Speaking of 'crootin:

Vandy football literally has no future right now.

Takes time to dig up all those diamonds in the rough.

 

[BruinVol]

our average star ranking was higher in the 2016 class than the 2015 and 2014 class.... But ok d4h

14-3.65

15-3.62

16-3.43

17-2.88

 

[Vol464]

Don't feed the trolls.

 

[Ericvol2096]

When I look at the schedule each year, I break it down into 5 categories to predict the outcome. This is what I have this year:

Win: App St., Ohio, Tn Tech, UK, SC, Vandy, Mizz(=1)
Possible Win: FL, VT(=.75)
Toss Up: GA, aTm, Bammer
Possible Loss:
Loss: =0
Total = 9.75 Wins

2015 looked like this:

Win: BG, WCU, UK, SC, N Tx, Vandy
Possible Win: Mizz
Toss Up: FL, Arky
Possible Loss: OU, GA
Loss: Bammer
Total= 9 Wins

Would you move any of these around for your predictions?

This is how I see it this year a little more positive then you on the Bama game giving us 10 wins.

Last season if you really put yourself back before the season I wouldn't have had a road game at Missouri as a win. Also a road game in the swamp was at best a toss up to me and I didn't view OU as a toss up.

So I would have had 8.25 wins.

 

[BigOrange15]

Partially based on practice reports of which guys look to be contributors. But also based on my own evaluations.

I'm gifted at this sort of thing.

Oh, you are definitely gifted. More in a "Radio" kind of way but gifted for sure.

 

[Kristy*]

14-3.65 3.50

15-3.62 3.52

16-3.43 3.48

17-2.88 3.25

Based on the 247 composite, the past 3 years were about as close as possible. The average this year is a little lower so far. But note how many of our *big* recruits commit closer to signing day. This time last year, we had 5 recruits; we closed on signing day with Kongbo, Byrd, and Warrior.

 

[BruinVol]

Based on the 247 composite, the past 3 years were about as close as possible. The average this year is a little lower so far. But note how many of our *big* recruits commit closer to signing day. This time last year, we had 5 recruits; we closed on signing day with Kongbo, Byrd, and Warrior.

Agreed the 2017 class isn't really worth looking at when it comes to final star average


Can you post the 247 composite 14-16 classes average stars? Nevermind you already did that. Thx


My numbers were from rivals

 

[85SugarVol]

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