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#7,501
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Perceived weaknesses before fall camp:

-Dobbs' accuracy and downfield passing
-WRs
-LT
-DT depth
-MLB backup (?)

Reports through one week of fall camp to address those concerns:

-Dobbs is slinging it better downfield with more touch (although still not perfect)
-We should have at least 3 very reliable WRs in Smith, Malone, and PW with a couple young guys in there to add even more weapons
-Richmond is getting the upperhand on Kendrick and is doing very well in pass blocking
-Tuttle will be back by week 3 and Kongbo is essentially a hybrid DE/DT
-The only major question mark remaining. Hopefully we hear more about Bituli being a capable backup...or Jumper making HUGE strides that include not committing terrible penalties at the worst time and bouncing off QBs that are smaller than him.
 
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#7,503
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butchna said:
Dobbs gets hurt and you're right...put the best guy out there.
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Isn't that how both Dobbs' and Worley's redshirts were burned? Hope if someone's slated to red shirt this year at QB there will no need to change plans mid-season.
 
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volssam said:
Breakerboy be like:


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Man I'm OLD 😂😂😂😂
 
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The 2016 Vols are 2009 Bama, IMO.

2008 Bama went 12-2 and started the season #24. Went undefeated regular season but played a laughably soft schedule (#9 Clemson went 7-6, Arkansas 5-7, Vols 5-7, UGA went Richt special 10-3, LSU 8-5, and Auburn 5-7).

Basically, imagine our 2015 schedule but make Oklahoma a 7-6 team and give us only one truly difficult (and that might be pushing it) SEC game in the regular season. We probably go 12-0 as well or 11-1 at worst. They then go went on to lose to UF in ATL and Utah in the Sugar Bowl.

Well, the next year they returned just about everyone (with 2 monster recruiting classes building the bulk of their roster) and started out #5 with a game against Virginia Tech (a good Hokies team that went 10-3) and won a fairly close one.

Of course, they ran the table that season and relied heavily on a stout defense (they scored less than 30 in most of their wins against SEC opponents), game management, and not making major mistakes.

In 2009, Bama wasn't as much of a machine as they are now with 5* depth at every position, but that team was still incredibly talented. Very similar to Tennessee, IMO.

Only problem is that 2009 Bama didn't play a team nearly as good as 2016 Bama outside of #1 Florida in the SECCG. Hopefully we do not have to face them twice this season.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Uhhh, Where's Berry!?
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This isn't everybody from the team. This isn't these guys just sprinting, either.

They put trackers on different guys throughout camp to measure speed plus much, much more. That's just the fastest speed they tracked for different players. Doubt it's even those players fastest speeds, either.
 
#7,511
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mrorange211 said:
Exactly. I wish people would let it rest. We don't want JG to play this year.
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Just imagine what life starts to look like when the first you see a QB like Dobbs is his RS JR year...this year...and he's had a year to build his body, and a couple more to build his experience, without the withering pressure of trying to be 'the guy' before he is ready. This is exactly how OSU was able to go three deep down the QB roster and still win the NC. The incessant fascination with the new guy really isn't a good thing.
 
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I agree it would be awesome if JG gets to RS, but if we are on a championship run and Dobbs gets hurt, you don't RS a guy if he is better than the #2 while Dobbs is healthy. If it costs you losses that's a huge mistake and the entire team deserves better.
 
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unioncityvol said:
I agree it would be awesome if JG gets to RS, but if we are on a championship run and Dobbs gets hurt, you don't RS a guy if he is better than the #2 while Dobbs is healthy. If it costs you losses that's a huge mistake and the entire team deserves better.
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A quarterback can learn just as much redshirting as they can mopping up in garbage minutes. And you don't show your cards and go down to JG and CJ Lewis in 17 unless there is an actual injury to Dobbs.
 
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Aesius said:
The 2016 Vols are 2009 Bama, IMO.

2008 Bama went 12-2 and started the season #24. Went undefeated regular season but played a laughably soft schedule (#9 Clemson went 7-6, Arkansas 5-7, Vols 5-7, UGA went Richt special 10-3, LSU 8-5, and Auburn 5-7).

Basically, imagine our 2015 schedule but make Oklahoma a 7-6 team and give us only one truly difficult (and that might be pushing it) SEC game in the regular season. We probably go 12-0 as well or 11-1 at worst. They then go went on to lose to UF in ATL and Utah in the Sugar Bowl.

Well, the next year they returned just about everyone (with 2 monster recruiting classes building the bulk of their roster) and started out #5 with a game against Virginia Tech (a good Hokies team that went 10-3) and won a fairly close one.

Of course, they ran the table that season and relied heavily on a stout defense (they scored less than 30 in most of their wins against SEC opponents), game management, and not making major mistakes.

In 2009, Bama wasn't as much of a machine as they are now with 5* depth at every position, but that team was still incredibly talented. Very similar to Tennessee, IMO.

Only problem is that 2009 Bama didn't play a team nearly as good as 2016 Bama outside of #1 Florida in the SECCG. Hopefully we do not have to face them twice this season.
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Depending on how things break, our schedule outside of Bama could actually be laughably easy. UF, UGA and TAMU could all be setting up for 8-5 or worse type seasons. Hard to say right now though. I think all three also could surprise on the upside. Talent is there for each for sure.
 
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vol2002 said:
Depending on how things break, our schedule outside of Bama could actually be laughably easy. UF, UGA and TAMU could all be setting up for 8-5 or worse type seasons. Hard to say right now though. I think all three also could surprise on the upside. Talent is there for each for sure.
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I consider the 4 game back to back stretch between UF,UGA,BAMA,TAMU with no gap one of the hardest in the country tbh
 
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Catbone said:
I consider the 4 game back to back stretch between UF,UGA,BAMA,TAMU with no gap one of the hardest in the country tbh
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It's very tough for sure, but the Vols finally have the talent to weather a stretch like that for the first time in a long time.

I think 3-1 is really doable. 4-0 is possible if some breaks go our way more than usual.
 
#7,518
#7,518
Going 3-1 or 4-0 during that stretch would help the team in the playoffs. A 2-game stretch against difficult opponents wouldn't seem so daunting after that Sept/Oct gauntlet.
 
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butchna said:
A quarterback can learn just as much redshirting as they can mopping up in garbage minutes. And you don't show your cards and go down to JG and CJ Lewis in 17 unless there is an actual injury to Dobbs.
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Agree there's lots of ifs. If Dobbs gets hurt, if QD isn't actually better, if we are on a run.
 
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Mike4Vols said:
Clearly you think this is a receiver issue and not a QB or system issue. I disagree. I think the fact we rarely even *tried* to throw downfield is an indictment on Dobbs or the play calling, not the receivers.

I went to the Kentucky game in Lexington and was thrilled to see Malone catch the 75 yard pass from Dobbs. But that wasn't the only time Malone was open that game. They never even tried to throw the ball downfield again. Other than the one long play to Malone, Dobbs was 15 for 25 for 158 yards. That's a 60% completion percentage but only 6 yards per attempt --- low by anybody's standards and a sign we didn't complete many balls downfield. The next longest pass play was the 37 yard touchdown pass to Hurd and that was a designed screen. Everything else was 16 yards or shorter.

The pass to Malone in the Kentucky game was the longest pass play of the year. The next longest pass? The 49 yard bomb from Dormady to Williams in the Western Carolina game. Draw your own conclusions.
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I get what you're saying about that Kentucky game, but the thing is, you didn't need to lob it down field in that game. At all.

You broke the game open ultimately by running (38-14), then finished them off with special teams.

I think that happened a lot last year and I don't blame them the way we were running the ball.

Now, that said, to improve by 2 or 3 wins, they will have to develop a true down field passing game... thankfully the early reports from practice sound like that should be improved.
 
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