Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXVI

[WallyBalls]

Did I catch Swain throwing some pretty heavy shade at Brice this morning?

He was talking about how he "tries to be objective" and mentioned "Well, I don't go on vacation with Butch, or go to Luke Bryan concerts with Butch, like some people want to do around here...".

Struck me as very odd.

 

[Ericvol2096]

Did I catch Swain throwing some pretty heavy shade at Brice this morning?

He was talking about how he "tries to be objective" and mentioned "Well, I don't go on vacation with Butch, or go to Luke Bryan concerts with Butch, like some people want to do around here...".

Struck me as very odd.

Swain sucks so bad now

 

[RikidyBones]

Swain sucks so bad now

understatement imo

 

[Vols4us]

It is hard to skip over the quoting of d4h, crunchyleb, etc. despite having them on ignore because I am interested in what many of you post. I wish the quoting wouldn't happen, but it does, so I just have this personal observation after having seen the Bolt/Phelps posts.

That was the most ridiculous analysis of how the poster perceived Bolt to be the greater Olympian than Phelps that I could begin to imagine. So I knew immediately it had to come from d4h. Just plain azzzzz stupid. Had there been more stats and assumptions used I would know Leb was at it again. Had there been a conspiracy theory tied to somebody with poor character I would know it came from Bruin. Roll on, trolls.

 

[govols09]

Swain sucks so bad now

Real bad. Something must have happened, he always comes across as bitter

 

[zhangliao04]

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[Vols4us]

Did I catch Swain throwing some pretty heavy shade at Brice this morning?

He was talking about how he "tries to be objective" and mentioned "Well, I don't go on vacation with Butch, or go to Luke Bryan concerts with Butch, like some people want to do around here...".

Struck me as very odd.

Swain sucks so bad now

understatement imo

He's in the running for an award from the John Adams School of Unprofessional Journalism. He's got issues.

 

[KnoxVillain]

From the recruiting tweets thread. The pic of Justin Marshall with the orange jersey and the smokey grey helmet looks nice.

Yes, yes it does. I'd love to see us wear that combo for a game.

Did I catch Swain throwing some pretty heavy shade at Brice this morning?

He was talking about how he "tries to be objective" and mentioned "Well, I don't go on vacation with Butch, or go to Luke Bryan concerts with Butch, like some people want to do around here...".

Struck me as very odd.

Stop listening to Swain. He has zero credibility.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Apparently Swain coaches Rodgers sometimes...

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Swain is a b****. He's a wanna be sports journalist/reporter. 90% of the time he has no idea what he is talking about and no credibility.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

What about the 110m hurdles, the 400m, the 4x100, and the 4x400? That would put Bolt at 7 events. Bolt has ran the 400 before. Plenty of folks have competed in the hurdles and sprints previously. Hurdling is, by your logic, just another way of running.

Furthermore the only stroke that ha it's own relay is freestyle. The only non freestyle relay is the 4x100 medley.

Also, to claim there is no barrier to entry in track and field is ridiculous. Neither Bolt nor Phelps would exist without the money behind them.

Bolt is the greatest sprinter ever and fastest man in history. Phelps is the greatest swimmer and the greatest Olympian.

You got Kenyans and Ethiopians dominating long distance in track and field. Those are two of the poorest countries in the world. Jamaica an island country with 2.8 million people is dominating in sprinting.

Find me poor countries like that doing anything in swimming?

Its ridiculous for you to act like there is some great barrier to entry in track and field. Its the PUREST SPORT IN THE WORLD. Anyone can go out and run. You don't even need shoes. All you need is earth and your feet.

Swimming on the other hand requires training to learn how to swim since its not natural for humans to be in the water. Beyond that you need actual swimming pools to train and there aren't many of those in developing countries. The fact only a select group of countries compete in swimming should let you know that it isn't a sport with equal access for all.

 

[Dust10]

If the argument is all you need is dirt to run, then couldn't one say, all you need to swim, is water?

 

[delfonic]

If the argument is all you need is dirt to run, then couldn't one say, all you need to swim, is water?

Obviously, the barrier for entry is wherever D4H says it is.

 

[zhangliao04]

You got Kenyans and Ethiopians dominating long distance in track and field. Those are two of the poorest countries in the world. Jamaica an island country with 2.8 million people is dominating in sprinting.

Find me poor countries like that doing anything in swimming?

Its ridiculous for you to act like there is some great barrier to entry in track and field. Its the PUREST SPORT IN THE WORLD. Anyone can go out and run. You don't even need shoes. All you need is earth and your feet.

Swimming on the other hand requires training to learn how to swim since its not natural for humans to be in the water. Beyond that you need actual swimming pools to train and there aren't many of those in developing countries. The fact only a select group of countries compete in swimming should let you know that it isn't a sport with equal access for all.

Fact: You need training for track and field, too.

Just because you can run doesn't mean you don't need anymore training. Starting, stride, foot placement, finding that next gear, etc. And that's just for running. And, using your own standards, since swimming isn't natural for humans then for someone to learn how to do it and continuously break records/score gold medals in the olympics (that have a large population of athletes try out for, btw) then you must be even more athletically gifted then the person who chose to just go down the more "natural" route (which is not my own personal belief).

 

[BigZiti09]

I have him on ignore but he is making pretty good points.

Phelps does have an inflated medal count. Swimming has an entry barrier more so than running.

Not sure how anyone can argue against those two things.

 

[Dust10]

I have him on ignore but he is making pretty good points.

Phelps does have an inflated medal count. Swimming is a specialized sport more so than running.

Not sure how anyone can argue against those two things.

I'm not sure that's the argument people disagree with. Its the notion that Bolt is automatically a better athlete than Phelps is what people disagree with.

Let's look at this from another angle. Football is a highly specialized sport. Even within the sport roles are specialized. Soccer on the other hand is a sport that is literally played everywhere. Using D4H own words, you don't even need shoes and you can make a ball out of trash.

Yet, would D4H argue that Christiano Ronaldo is a better athlete than Cam Newton? I doubt it.

 

[zhangliao04]

If the argument is all you need is dirt to run, then couldn't one say, all you need to swim, is water?

No, you need to learn how to swim. You just run straight out of your momma from birth. Natural, man. Natural.

 

[vol72]

I have him on ignore but he is making pretty good points.

Phelps does have an inflated medal count. Swimming is a specialized sport more so than running.

Not sure how anyone can argue against those two things.

The Running sports are specialized as well. The 800 is a Lot different than the 100 or 200, which is different than a 10000, which is different than a steeplechase. Sure, running is running just like swimming is swimming.

 

[delfonic]

I have him on ignore but he is making pretty good points.

Phelps does have an inflated medal count. Swimming is a specialized sport more so than running.

Not sure how anyone can argue against those two things.

No. There are a dozen or more events that award the athlete who runs faster than the other athletes. Running is just as specialized.

How many medals does Phelps deserve? Only the individual ones? Guess what, still the best Olympian ever.

 

[JCLawyerVol]

If the argument is all you need is dirt to run, then couldn't one say, all you need to swim, is water?

I swam before I could walk/run.

 

[VolGee4]

I have him on ignore but he is making pretty good points.

Phelps does have an inflated medal count. Swimming has an entry barrier more so than running.

Not sure how anyone can argue against those two things.

I, too, consider his points well taken. But, if Phelps has an inflated medal count, then why haven't others in history gotten close to it?

Just because running is easier than swimming (as far as competition) doesn't mean Phelps is an inferior athlete. His body makeup is just perfect for swimming.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

I wonder what Phelps would run in a 100? He's a great athlete. Maybe 11 seconds? About 1-1.2 seconds behind Bolt? Now put them in the pool to swim 100. Does Bolt stay within that 1-1.2 seconds of Phelps?

 

[delfonic]

I wonder what Phelps would run in a 100? He's a great athlete. Maybe 11 seconds? About 1-1.2 seconds behind Bolt? Now put them in the pool to swim 100. Does Bolt stay within that 1-1.2 seconds of Phelps?

I think this depends on whether or not Bolt is riding a horse.

 

[McGeesPub]

He plays a sport with a high barrier of entry and has an inflated medal count because swimming award medals for doing the same thing in different ways.

Most people in the world don't have access to swimming pools. As a result, most countries don't have serious swimming programs. Swimming is restricted to very rich countries. So we really have no idea how great Phelps is because the pool of competitors he goes against is limited. Unlike Bolt who goes against everyone because running has almost no barrier to entry. Everyone in the world regardless of wealth can run.

And then about the medal count. Swimming has all these weird derivations of doing the same thing. Butterfly, breaststroke, backstroke, etc. You have freestyle relays, medley relays, butterfly relays, etc. Basically all these different derivations of the same thing that inflate a medal count.

In track its the 100m, 200m, 400m, etc. Usain Bolt didn't have the liberty to winning medals in the 100m run backwards or the 200m skipping.


IMO there is no comparison between Bolt and Phelps as athletes. Bolt is significantly more impressive.

He also come from a country well known to turn the other cheek with regard to PEDs. Pretty easy to cycle down when the government is administering it for you.

I guess it's impossible not to expect all the recency bias on behalf of Bolt.

 

[WesTnVol]

Jim Thorpe!! Look him up. Football,Baseball and Olympics. He won the Pentathlon and Decathlon in the 1912 Olympics. His very small native Indian school played Army when they were very good and beat them. Dwight D. Eisenhower played on the team that gave up back to back KO return TD first one( 91 yards?) called back for holding re-kick(96 yards) for score. Eisenhower said later it was the greatest feat he had every seen on a football field. Today with proper training and nutrition who knows.