Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXVI

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Berry seemed moving fine at media day; was indicated primarily a hamstring issue & no need to push it, per campus folks. We will seek more info today.

I'd stay locked in here today on Chandler news. Am told he is really getting dialed in for his senior season.
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-Brice
 
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For those interested.

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-Brice
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I have him on ignore but he is making pretty good points.

Phelps does have an inflated medal count. Swimming has an entry barrier more so than running.

Not sure how anyone can argue against those two things.
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You just can't compare Phelps and Bolt to each other. They compete in very different sports, with very different rules, competition, skill sets. The one thing that you can say is that both of them have an indomitable desire to succeed, excel and win, and put in the work to be sure that they do.
 
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Bolt is exceptionally athletic and the best 100m sprinter. Don't think anyone would really disagree with that. But, and maybe I'm just being naive or whatever. But all he does is run fast. He is physically dominant in his competition yes. But how is he a better athlete than, say, Lebron James, who is not only physically dominant but possesses amazing skills beyond that.

I don't know. Just some thoughts. Both are impressive and deserve their rewards and admiration.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He plays a sport with a high barrier of entry and has an inflated medal count because swimming award medals for doing the same thing in different ways.

Most people in the world don't have access to swimming pools. As a result, most countries don't have serious swimming programs. Swimming is restricted to very rich countries. So we really have no idea how great Phelps is because the pool of competitors he goes against is limited. Unlike Bolt who goes against everyone because running has almost no barrier to entry. Everyone in the world regardless of wealth can run.

And then about the medal count. Swimming has all these weird derivations of doing the same thing. Butterfly, breaststroke, backstroke, etc. You have freestyle relays, medley relays, butterfly relays, etc. Basically all these different derivations of the same thing that inflate a medal count.

In track its the 100m, 200m, 400m, etc. Usain Bolt didn't have the liberty to winning medals in the 100m run backwards or the 200m skipping.


IMO there is no comparison between Bolt and Phelps as athletes. Bolt is significantly more impressive.
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I agree there is no comparison--Phelps is much, much more dominant than Bolt.

Bolt is a one-trick pony. He's the best sprinter of all time. But it's not clear that he's the best runner of all time, let alone best athlete. He has won 3 straight Olympic titles in the 100m. Very impressive, and he may do it in the 200m too. But it's not that hard to imagine another track athlete duplicating that feat (whether in that event or another).

What Phelps has done is unfathomable. Seriously. You can object about multiple different strokes or whatever, but you can't ignore the fact that no swimmer has been able to even come close at all to what Phelps has been able to do.

You say Bolt could win all these other races if they existed... but why hasn't he even tried to win the 110m hurdles? What about the 400m? If he's truly the greatest runner--and even athlete--of all time, then why won't he run anything other than the same two races?

Swimming might have a little higher barrier to entry, but not that much. There's water all over the world. It's not that different than running, to be honest.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Almost every country has a swim team. Most continents have swimming championships. There are a number of third world countries that compete.
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Really?

Cause all I see is the same 7 or 8 countries at every event. A bunch of European countries, the US, Australia, China, and Japan.

And almost always there are no African or South American countries competing (except for host nation Brazil this year).
 
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drylo said:
I agree there is no comparison--Phelps is much, much more dominant than Bolt.

Bolt is a one-trick pony. He's the best sprinter of all time. But it's not clear that he's the best runner of all time, let alone best athlete. He has won 3 straight Olympic titles in the 100m. Very impressive, and he may do it in the 200m too. But it's not that hard to imagine another track athlete duplicating that feat (whether in that event or another).

What Phelps has done is unfathomable. Seriously. You can object about multiple different strokes or whatever, but you can't ignore the fact that no swimmer has been able to even come close at all to what Phelps has been able to do.

You say Bolt could win all these other races if they existed... but why hasn't he even tried to win the 110m hurdles? What about the 400m? If he's truly the greatest runner--and even athlete--of all time, then why won't he run anything other than the same two races?

Swimming might have a little higher barrier to entry, but not that much. There's water all over the world. It's not that different than running, to be honest.
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What Bolt does is more difficult and prestigious.

He has the whole of humanity competiting against him. From the time we were little kids, everyone raced. And everyone wanted to be the fastest. Compare that to swimming where most people on earth don't even know how to swim.

Being the fastest sprinter on earth will always be more impressive than anything related to swimming.

Sorry man but they're not even in the same hemisphere of importance.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Really?

Cause all I see is the same 7 or 8 countries at every event. A bunch of European countries, the US, Australia, China, and Japan.

And almost always there are no African or South American countries competing (except for host nation Brazil this year).
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You're just wrong, my man. (As if Brazil only started having good swimmers this year because they hosted the Olympics or something... LOL. Look up Cesar Cielo sometime.)

The truth is people in different parts of the world tend to be better at different sports--for all kinds of reasons--but that doesn't make one better than another.

Is long-distance running less legit because it's all Ethiopians and Kenyans? Heck, why is track sprinting more legit? It's all just island people with Americans mixed in.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Really?

Cause all I see is the same 7 or 8 countries at every event. A bunch of European countries, the US, Australia, China, and Japan.

And almost always there are no African or South American countries competing (except for host nation Brazil this year).
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You tryin to say black people cant swim?!?!!1!!!1!

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Phelps is the greatest Olympian of all time.

Bolt might not even be the best runner of all time. Nurmi, Lewis both have more medals I believe. (Bolt will probably catch them this Olympics)
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
What Bolt does is more difficult and prestigious.

He has the whole of humanity competiting against him. From the time we were little kids, everyone raced. And everyone wanted to be the fastest. Compare that to swimming where most people on earth don't even know how to swim.

Being the fastest sprinter on earth will always be more impressive than anything related to swimming.

Sorry man but they're not even in the same hemisphere of importance.
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You're free to be more impressed by track sprinters than Phelps. (Does this extend to all 100m runners/champions, or just Bolt?)

But Phelps has completely dominated his sport for the last 15 years. He has been faster than anybody in history, more versatile than anybody in history, and done it for longer than anybody in history. And all the while he has been competing in--and winning--as many as 8 events at a single meet while most of his competitors have been swimming just a few. It's utterly remarkable.

Bolt has set a standard that, while very impressive, is certainly within reach for others. (Heck, Mo Farah has now won two straight golds in the 10,000m and could get a third in 4 years.) Phelps has set the bar so high that it is impossible to imagine it ever being duplicated.
 
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drylo said:
But Phelps has completely dominated his sport for the last 15 years. He has been faster than anybody in history, more versatile than anybody in history, and done it for longer than anybody in history. And all the while he has been competing in--and winning--as many as 8 events at a single meet while most of his competitors have been swimming just a few. It's utterly remarkable.
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To put it in track terms for you, it's almost like Phelps has been doing the decathlon and doing each event better than the people who specialize only in those events--and he's been doing it for 15 years.
 
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Dust10 said:
Ummm.... we are debating which athlete is superior from 2 sports we only care about once every 4 years, so we've got no time for commits here!
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Well that explains why Butch has been so bad at getting good commits to come here this cycle.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Really?

Cause all I see is the same 7 or 8 countries at every event. A bunch of European countries, the US, Australia, China, and Japan.

And almost always there are no African or South American countries competing (except for host nation Brazil this year).
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Except there are 173 countries competing in 32 swimming events and 200 countries in 47 track events.

What you are suffering from, beyond a crippling sense of self importance, is called confirmation bias.
 
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delfonic said:
Except there are 173 countries competing in 32 swimming events and 200 countries in 47 track events.

What you are suffering from, beyond a crippling sense of self importance, is called confirmation bias.
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Go back and look at his top two of three athletes.
There is a limited number of countries that ever excel in those.
Funny how it's okay for those sports but not for the one where Phelps wins. Hope we figure this out.
 
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