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Yes, I have been speculating that the coaching staff concluded our four game stretch was our season. They determined enough plays to beat the first three teams and were willing to accept losing style points etc. They accepted blowing the doors off App State/Ohio would mean nothing if they couldn't beat our rivals in the following weeks.

This also supports why the team just hasn't seemed firing on all cylinders in all three phases, sleep-walking if you will. This is similar to the NFL preseason where coaches play more vanilla schemes et cetera.

Predictable play calling made it easier on the "lesser competition" to hang in there. If the players would have executed a bit better we would have probably seen games like North Texas last year- overall dominant but boring to casual fans. As an aside the three teams all won nearly 30 games last year combined so certainly were not true scrubs..

Perhaps, this is simply a naive pro-Tennessee spin on TN program that was overhyped, led by inept offensive play callers, and are average at best. While that fits the casual observers narrative, it omits many relevant truths indicating otherwise.

This seasoned veteran team hasn't spent an off season through 3 weeks to produce the product we've seen thus far. I'm just not buying that.
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
Cam was deadly too and so is Alvin. I'm fine with keeping him back there. But I don't believe for a second that Evan couldn't do it.

I don't buy that kickoffs and punt returns require these totally separate skill sets. That sounds like overthinking to me, sorry. I get the arguments and I've heard it. Just disagree. Many different ways and types of guys that have been successful doing both. Berry has elite speed and a nose for the end zone. He breaks tackles and follows his blockers. Im not seeing the problems you are at all. He's a great athlete.

I also wouldn't be opposed to seeing Preston Williams get a shot. Think he could do a good job and it might be a way to get him some confidence.
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Drops and ball security been an issue for Preston. Last place I want him is returning punts
 
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RunnersLunge said:
Yes, I have been speculating that the coaching staff concluded our four game stretch was our season. They determined enough plays to beat the first three teams and were willing to accept losing style points etc. They accepted blowing the doors off App State/Ohio would mean nothing if they couldn't beat our rivals in the following weeks.

This also supports why the team just hasn't seemed firing on all cylinders in all three phases, sleep-walking if you will. This is similar to the NFL preseason where coaches play more vanilla schemes et cetera.

Predictable play calling made it easier on the "lesser competition" to hang in there. If the players would have executed a bit better we would have probably seen games like North Texas last year- overall dominant but boring to casual fans. As an aside the three teams all won nearly 30 games last year combined so certainly were not true scrubs..

Perhaps, this is simply a naive pro-Tennessee spin on TN program that was overhyped, led by inept offensive play callers, and are average at best. While that fits the casual observers narrative, it omits many relevant truths indicating otherwise.

This seasoned veteran team hasn't spent an off season through 3 weeks to produce the product we've seen thus far. I'm just not buying that.
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Where's all the wrinkles in the "football concepts" posts we saw last year that led to huge plays?

They're still in the playbook... waiting for these next 4 games
 
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tonybologna said:
Martin might not be playing as much as he did the 1st 2 games. Moseley beat him out in weekly practice competition going into the Ohio game. I don't even know if Martin saw the field last game.

I think that's why he put out that Twitter comment about our fans. He was actually mad at CBJ for not playing him. Martin is a better talent no doubt than Moseley but somehow he got beat out by Moseley in practice.

Martin needs to be in there though but I don't know the situation with him now other than he's backing up Moseley.
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Sorry, but none of this is right. Martin was out with a bad ankle. He didn't lose his job. If anything, he earned it with his play against VT. Don't let the PI calls fool you - he played a great game against some tough competition.

I'mma need him to get his head around though. That first PI was a pick if he locates the ball.
 
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RunnersLunge said:
Yes, I have been speculating that the coaching staff concluded our four game stretch was our season. They determined enough plays to beat the first three teams and were willing to accept losing style points etc. They accepted blowing the doors off App State/Ohio would mean nothing if they couldn't beat our rivals in the following weeks.

This also supports why the team just hasn't seemed firing on all cylinders in all three phases, sleep-walking if you will. This is similar to the NFL preseason where coaches play more vanilla schemes et cetera.

Predictable play calling made it easier on the "lesser competition" to hang in there. If the players would have executed a bit better we would have probably seen games like North Texas last year- overall dominant but boring to casual fans. As an aside the three teams all won nearly 30 games last year combined so certainly were not true scrubs..

Perhaps, this is simply a naive pro-Tennessee spin on TN program that was overhyped, led by inept offensive play callers, and are average at best. While that fits the casual observers narrative, it omits many relevant truths indicating otherwise.

This seasoned veteran team hasn't spent an off season through 3 weeks to produce the product we've seen thus far. I'm just not buying that.
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Yeah let's go with this.

If we know anything, it's that this team still has not put 4 good quarters together. That tells us as fans 1 of 2 things:

A) This is a trend and off season preparations were not what they needed to be. Really unfortunate and is likely an outlier year for a Butch Jones coached team.

B) We are still growing and will get better and better as the year goes along. I think this happened last year. When we've been good, we've been really good. But it's been in short spurts followed by long stretches of uninspired play. It's just a matter of whether or not we can figure out how to play that way more consistently and for longer stretches. If we find it, and this team eventually hits it's ceiling and catches some breaks along the way.... We can still live that dream.

I still believe.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
How is Jay Cutler still a starting QB in the NFL?

It almost seems like the Bears don't want to be good.
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I promise you I took one look at him and thought the same thing. I mean, he's always smoking.

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Face said:
The good thing is Dobbs usually doesn't lay an egg in big games. He shows up. The question is for how long, and in what quarters. If he can develop into a closer, where he can get into flow at will when he has to have it late in the game, Tennessee could be 7-0 and ranked number 1 in 4 weeks. Is that likely? Probably not.
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gotta just let it happen. same thing i told my friend when i was best man at his wedding. just let it happen.

may the flow be with you and ****.
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
Yeah that's a good point. I do think he could be deadly there though and is much better than he's showed so far. At least I hope so.
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Guys on VQ said that they believe that Williams is the best WR on our roster in practice. Don't know why it hasn't translated to the game yet.
 
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Thinking we see the wildcat formation from UF. Horse face is thinking if he can score 17 then they win. Hence the closed practice.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Guys on VQ said that they believe that Williams is the best WR on our roster in practice. Don't know why it hasn't translated to the game yet.
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Everything was going great game 1, but he got injured and has seemed to lose confidence since. Hopefully the coaches can get him some short, easy catches early Saturday like they tried to do against Ohio.
 
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Atzar said:
Sorry, but none of this is right. Martin was out with a bad ankle. He didn't lose his job. If anything, he earned it with his play against VT. Don't let the PI calls fool you - he played a great game against some tough competition.

I'mma need him to get his head around though. That first PI was a pick if he locates the ball.
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That's not what a trusted source posted a few days before the Ohio game in another thread. It was exactly what I said.

Even the announcers for the game said the same thing. That Butch had help competitions in practice at certain positions & Moseley beat out Martin.

I heard this myself straight from the announcers plus the post from somebody on here. Maybe Martin had a banged up ankle that led to Moseley being able to do more in practice to beat him out but I'm going by what 2 sources said & nothing was mentioned about an ankle injury holding Martin back by either source.

Don't bash me. Bash the messengers on this. I'm only posting what I heard & seen posted myself. Thanks!
 
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Moseley must be a hell of a practice player.

He wins the job each week in practice and then gets outplayed by Martin and even a true freshmen when game day rolls around.
 
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