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#11,878
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31VFL said:
Starters/Contributors:
Williams
O'Brien

JRM
Sutton
Kirkland
McDowell
Foreman
McKenzie
Sapp
Vickers?
Buchanan?

Kendrick
Robertson
Hall
Weisman

I think I got them all. Lol
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They were taping Evan Berry's ankle late. Never came back in
 
#11,881
#11,881
31VFL said:
Starters/Contributors:
Williams
O'Brien

JRM
Sutton
Kirkland
McDowell
Foreman
McKenzie
Sapp
Vickers?
Buchanan?

Kendrick
Robertson
Hall
Weisman

I think I got them all. Lol
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I wonder how many can make it back after the bye?
 
#11,882
#11,882
A good number of the idiots in the football forum don't deserve nice things. If we do win 10 regular season games this year and an SEC East championship we should cut those suckers loose before we head down to Atlanta.

They are dead weight.

The team was heavily depleted by injury and playing a team that is clearly the most-talented and best-executing team in the nation.
 
#11,883
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delfonic said:
A good number of the idiots in the football forum don't deserve nice things. If we do win 10 regular season games this year and an SEC East championship we should cut those suckers loose before we head down to Atlanta.

They are dead weight.

The team was heavily depleted by injury and playing a team that is clearly the most-talented and best-executing team in the nation.
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This. Yea we lost today, but we are 5-2 and should still be top 15
 
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When you have the good will of the University and the whole fanbase behind you, and have a chance to hire an offensive football genius, maybe a young up and comer, and you go hire an old bald headed dinosaur who's been out of football for God knows how long to run your offense... It's gonna suck. What a dumb decision to hire Debord. Our offense is horrible. It's pathetic. Predictable. Changes have to be made for 2017.
 
#11,885
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delfonic said:
A good number of the idiots in the football forum don't deserve nice things. If we do win 10 regular season games this year and an SEC East championship we should cut those suckers loose before we head down to Atlanta.

They are dead weight.

The team was heavily depleted by injury and playing a team that is clearly the most-talented and best-executing team in the nation.
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I made a mistake that I promised myself I'd never make again. I went to the FF and immediately saw via computer chatter a strange landscape of what I can only describe as the worst parts of Dante's Inferno, the revelation of John, and the entirety Cirque de Sole (I'm talking all the frenchness, tights, and criminal abuse of music like the Beatles, etc).

I cannot unread the dumb that I have seen. However I did get them a sign. It's real nice.
 

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#11,886
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delfonic said:
A good number of the idiots in the football forum don't deserve nice things. If we do win 10 regular season games this year and an SEC East championship we should cut those suckers loose before we head down to Atlanta.

They are dead weight.

The team was heavily depleted by injury and playing a team that is clearly the most-talented and best-executing team in the nation.
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Ehh..I think it's just the way we lost. An absolute embarrassment that looked like amateurish at best. Nothing bad can be said about the defense we we're undermanned massively. It was well known we would have to score a ton to keep it a close game.

But for us to get just absolutely destroyed in year 4 of this regime with soooo much riding on the line is..idk I don't really have the words for how disappointing it is. I mean this isn't the first or second year of a rebuilding project..absolutely ZERO reason we should have gotten our asses whipped the way we did today.

We lost the same way during the Dooley years except it was the defense that didn't show up & the offense was limited with injuries. Bray always banged up, Hunter always banged up, Darick was a loose cannon etc.
 
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1. Adjusting Expectations: Before the season, when we all had cotton candy dreams of the playoffs, the talk was, "Is there any excuse for not winning XX amount of games." My opinion was always that this is a moving target, based on an abnormal amount of key injuries.

Just as a little recap, though we all know...

Cam
DK Jr.
JRM
P-Willy, expected breakout season, did very little before quitting.
O'Brien
Wiesman
Robertson
Kendrick
K-Mac
Foreman
Chance Hall

I may be missing some, but this is what we were missing from the fight today... against the best team in the nation, and I don't care who argues otherwise. Bama is loaded, and on even footing, it would have been a dogfight. With what we had, you got what we got.

We can let go of the playoffs, and look towards the SEC Championship, which is still within reach. Florida should lose again, with 3 possible SEC losses on the schedule, and it would be really nice for Bama to slip up and LSU or A&M to get in. I'm thinking that even with us near full strength, we wouldn't beat Bama. Hate to say it.

2. Win Out: Tennessee will be favored in every remaining game. I would be shocked if they lost any, but they need to get healthy, and stay healthy along the way. They are a couple of additional injuries from having a VERY difficult road ahead.

3. Your new 2nd favorite SEC teams: Most likely losses for Florida, LSU, ARK, UGA. Vol fans will have their eyes on each of those games, and one loss should be enough to get TN to ATL.

4. Offensive Offense: The losses on the OL were horrific, against the best defense in college football. It was exact recipe for what you couldn't have happen. Not running Dobbs and opening up the downfield passing game (he wouldn't have had time anyways) locked the BAMA defense down on our offense. Several read options were wide open for Dobbs, and for whatever reason, he missed it, or was told not to run. As we have seen, if you are going to run this offense, the QB has to keep the defense honest. The coaches failed to bring a game plan that would at the very least, give this team a fighting chance.

5. Linebacker woes: I was very concerned that the lack of depth at linebacker would be a serious issue. Yep. Colton Jumper had 3 tackles. JRM or AJ Johnson would have had 15+ in a game like this. We are hurting in the middle.

6. Player Development: Some players have developed nicely at UT. Others, for whatever reason have been so disappointing. Austin Sanders still cannot find the field after all of these years (finally played a little). Charles Mosley, in spite of being a mountain of a man, is nowhere to be found. We are dying for some LB play... sigh.

7. Next...After an incredibly needed bye-week, in which we hope to lose no more players to injury, the Vols face USCe. USC had a bye week this week, and play UMASS the following week, which is essentially another bye. It is in Columbia, and though the Vols will be clearly favored, this is a tricky game. In spite of not having a talented team, USC has not been blown out, and keeps games close. USC plays us very hard, and Muschamp has had our number.
 
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amazingGRACE said:
Ehh..I think it's just the way we lost. An absolute embarrassment that looked like amateurish at best. Nothing bad can be said about the defense we we're undermanned massively. It was well known we would have to score a ton to keep it a close game.

But for us to get just absolutely destroyed in year 4 of this regime with soooo much riding on the line is..idk I don't really have the words for how disappointing it is. I mean this isn't the first or second year of a rebuilding project..absolutely ZERO reason we should have gotten our asses whipped the way we did today.

We lost the same way during the Dooley years except it was the defense that didn't show up & the offense was limited with injuries. Bray always banged up, Hunter always banged up, Darick was a loose cannon etc.
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I agree with you except I'm not letting the defense off the hook either. Injuries are one thing, but we couldn't stop simple sweeps and draws. Complete lack of game plan and focus.

The biggest thing that bothered me from my vantage point in the stadium is that it didn't appear like much effort was being given. We looked like Dooley era quitters.

big picture we can still reach Atlanta, 10-2, etc, etc, but this embarrassing performance, poor coaching, lack of effort IN YEAR 4 should not be taken lightly by anyone.
 
#11,889
#11,889
Kendrick Robertson Weisman Jones Hall
Richmond Boulware Thomas Jones Tatum


JRM Kirkland
Sapp McDowell
Jumper Berry

We played them with 4/5 2nd string OL and 3rd string LB. And on top of that missing 2 DTs from the 2 deep (O'Brian, McKenzie), 2 CBs from the 2 deep (Sutton, Foreman).

After years of finally building up a team that had talent, experience, and depth across the board, it's disappointing that we didn't get to see that team play in the biggest games of the year. Just decimated by injuries. Hopefully we get a few back after 2 weeks and still have enough pieces to run the table and (with a UF loss to Arky) get to Atlanta.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
1. Adjusting Expectations: Before the season, when we all had cotton candy dreams of the playoffs, the talk was, "Is there any excuse for not winning XX amount of games." My opinion was always that this is a moving target, based on an abnormal amount of key injuries.
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Finally a voice of reason! We have to adjust our expectations with the amount of injuries we got, but has our expectations really changed? Most would have predicted us at 5-2 without any injuries and here we are exactly that with the walking wounded.

We are decimated on both lines of scrimmage and that's a major concern for the home stretch, especially on OL.

We had Kendrick-Robertson-Thomas-Weisman-Hall to start the season.
That's Senior - Junior - Junior - RS Senior - Soph

Against Bama, we played Richmond-Boulware-Thomas-Jones-Tatum for 3 Quarters.
That's RS Freshman - RS Freshman - Junior - Soph - Freshman

Let's buckle up boys, it's gonna be a bumpy ride ahead but we're behind you every step of the way!
 
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#11,894
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We need some serious discussion about how this staff is going to close the talent gap. I know that discussion will lead to a critique of the 2017 class star rating and that will probably ruffle some feathers in this forum but we need to have the discussion. Hopefully some of you recruiting gurus can help the rest of us see the silver lining
 
#11,895
#11,895
There is no excuse for the effort yesterday.

That aside, I've never ever ever seen a team with this many injuries before. We are now at a point where nearly 40% - 50% of our starters aren't able to play. That's unheard of.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
We need some serious discussion about how this staff is going to close the talent gap. I know that discussion will lead to a critique of the 2017 class star rating and that will probably ruffle some feathers in this forum but we need to have the discussion. Hopefully some of you recruiting gurus can help the rest of us see the silver lining
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We have recruited "good" players and will continue to recruit good players and occasionally will land a couple "great" players. However, I can't imagine a situation where we can match Bama stride for stride for the "elite" players.
 
#11,897
#11,897
How about the throw from Dormady to Malone. Great ball. Bet he's been waiting to let it fly for awhile now.

Laughable that it takes until the game is out of reach for the OC to call a deep ball.
 
#11,898
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
We have recruited "good" players and will continue to recruit good players and occasionally will land a couple "great" players. However, I can't imagine a situation where we can match Bama stride for stride for the "elite" players.
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If winning begets good recruiting then it seems like this should be Butch's best class yet. There has to be a plan. Do we need better recruiters? Is there something wrong with the facilities? Are we expecting to flip some guys before nsd? Do we have some legitimate sleepers committed?

Right now the focus is injuries and not having talented depth to compensate. Another question is whether we have players to replace what we're losing without suffering a dip in 1st string talent. Are this year's second and third strings supposed to be next year's starters?
 
#11,899
#11,899
VolunteerHillbilly said:
If winning begets good recruiting then it seems like this should be Butch's best class yet. There has to be a plan. Do we need better recruiters? Is there something wrong with the facilities? Are we expecting to flip some guys before nsd? Do we have some legitimate sleepers committed?

Right now the focus is injuries and not having talented depth to compensate. Another question is whether we have players to replace what we're losing without suffering a dip in 1st string talent. Are this year's second and third strings supposed to be next year's starters?
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So many things go in to it like geography, stability, and relationship building w HS coaches. TN is finally getting back to a point where we are getting good/great players regularly, but we are a new kid on the block when it comes to winning big/competing for titles. Elite players right now don't know Tenn as an elite program, so we aren't going to get them until we are able to produce championship caliber results.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Jones shouldn't tell anyone about injuries. If he's talking about an injury he is lying.

For some reason our fan base still listens to him talk. He says nothing into a microphone that we need to hear.

Media should stop asking him about it.
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He said a week ago that he is not discussing any injuries, so don't ask. The media continues to ask. I said there's no reason to speculate...wait and see who trots out on the field at 3:30. We had many who didn't even trot out on the field in uniform.
 
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