Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXI

[Dust10]

Barnett is better than Garrett...sorry

"Nope. Abs favor Garrett."


D4H

 

[InVOLuntary]

Nah..that's where I disagree. I really think Butch tried to make that happen. I can see why he would want a longer and more firm commitment from Helfrich, and why that would be a sticking point. I agree Scott was a plan B.

Could be, it's all conjecture. I don't think he could have made that hire without an AD in place.

 

[Theshag]

If Dobbs goes in the first day, or Barnett isn't our first player taken in the draft, I will never post on this forum again.

 

[Iam4utalways]

I got an email about a tweet that 3 All Amwricans will be on campus this weekend for a visit. It also said there were other recruits that will be there too. Any info on who will be there and is the rock gonna be painted for the visit?

Go Vols!

 

[Squoshua17]

D4H,

Perhaps you should start a thread for these daily/periodic updates. That way the majority at large doesn't have to read pages of opinion in regards to the validation of your player analysis unless they choose to do so?

Wait... I haven't been in the RF as much lately. Are you saying that he's been doing this every day???

 

[butchna]

Because they have tons of leverage and all.

Trying to do that Dabo Swinney thing...when you're SYRACUSE. :thud:

 

[BruinVol]

Barnett is better than Garrett...sorry

Barnett is more productive. Garrett has more skill and has the more upside with more risk IMO

 

[theutvolunteers]

This is intriguing.

College Sports: Why 'arms race' in college football is shifting from facilities to staff, leading UT's Herman to seek an 'army' of analysts | SportsDay

CBS Sports reported that Alabama spent slightly more than $800,000 on football support staff in 2005-06. The latest figure is $2.7 million for 2013-14. The Crimson Tide reportedly has eight analysts on its staff this year, including Sarkisian and former New Mexico coach Mike Locksley.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Both of those were terrible QBs in the pros. Neither had the tools to be great QBs like Dak had. You're really arguing that draft position is more important than how well a QB actually plays in deciding who is better?

No I'm arguing how you think Dak was on this complete different level than Dobbs in college. They are easily at the same level as playmakers at the QB position. At their best I would take Dobbs over Dak in college. He's far more dynamic. Dak is benefiting in the pros from a very good RB and an elite O-line. IMO

 

[The Breakerboy]

No Quincy Wilson or Malik hooker?

Dude is a troll......

 

[sjt18]

Never said he committed. (Notice how guys like this create bs out of thin air to support their baseless arguments)

No. You said he was a "scrap". You were wrong by using him since UT doesn't have him yet... and effectively wrong since Hubbs seems to think UT's chances hinge on Bama not wanting him.

But that was the player you referring to when you chose the word 'scraps' to refer to a 4 star defensive tackle. For someone who spends so much time and energy wanting to be 'right' on the Internet, I think I would let this one go. Going to be hard to lawyer your way out of your previous foolish comment.

Not necessary. You were wrong- doubly wrong.

 

[jave36]

No I'm arguing how you think Dak was on this complete different level than Dobbs in college. They are easily at the same level as playmakers at the QB position. At their best I would take Dobbs over Dak in college. He's far more dynamic. Dak is benefiting in the pros from a very good RB and an elite O-line. IMO

I agree Dak is not as good as his record. But he was more accurate and made better decisions in college, imo, and was not quite as good a runner as Dobbs. For actual QB purposes, aside from running ability, I think he was on a different level than dobbs. And that's not a slight to Dobbs, because I thought Dak was a second round talent coming out of college. I think Dobbs had a lot of flaws, and at the same time made lemonade out of a lemon OL that very few other QBs could have done.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Dak was coached better in college. IMO

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Dak was coached better in college. IMO

Don't think there is any doubt about that.

 

[butchna]

Blah blah blah *multiquote* blah blah

"Reduced" to landing Trey Smith? Saban really wanted him.

 

[delfonic]

As I watch more tape and new names get into the top 20, its natural for guys at the bottom to fall out.

I've consistently said that Barnett is a late 1st round type player in value. My NFL comparison for him is a blend of Michael Bennett (Seahawks) and Charles Johnson (Panthers). That's a real good player who will start for a long time in the NFL. But its not a superstar.

And with the 2017 draft being one of the strongest in the last 20 years, its highly unlikely he finishes in my top 20 overall prospects.

Bennett and Johnson are/were superstars and any team in their respective drafts would have picked them in the top 10. You are an ignorant schlub.

 

[RiotVol]

I agree Dak is not as good as his record. But he was more accurate and made better decisions in college, imo, and was not quite as good a runner as Dobbs. For actual QB purposes, aside from running ability, I think he was on a different level than dobbs. And that's not a slight to Dobbs, because I thought Dak was a second round talent coming out of college. I think Dobbs had a lot of flaws, and at the same time made lemonade out of a lemon OL that very few other QBs could have done.

Agree, UT alum and MSU prof. I've seen a lot of both and Dak is more accurate and is better at working through his reads to find the open receiver. The accuracy might be natural, but I have to think working through reads has to be coaching.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

So sounds like Canales is going to be the guy. Great. Second interview coming.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

We suck at sports that nobody cares about (I didn't even know we had a cross country team) but are gonna pretend to care about cause we want Dave Blackburn.

I'll allow it.

Back when Dickey was AD, Tennessee was always in the upper tier for the All Sports competition...need an AD that truly cares about All Tennessee sports programs...Dave Blackburn is that AD candidate.

 

[snowvols]

SIAP https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...t-alabama-de-tim-williams-ahead-of-nfl-draft/

Apparently Tim Williams failed multiple drug tests at Alabama and all he got was a 1st half suspension vs UK and that was for a gun charge.

 

[Catbone]

So sounds like Canales is going to be the guy. Great. Second interview coming.

Not so impressed. I just hope he has no part of the OC role. His record as an OC is awful.

 

[BigZiti09]

Back when Dickey was AD, Tennessee was always in the upper tier for the All Sports competition...need an AD that truly cares about All Tennessee sports programs...Dave Blackburn is that AD candidate.

That's because dickey was a good AD but don't get it twisted. Dickey cared about football first.

Football eats first. Then everyone benefits from it.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

How is pointing out that Jones is now reduced to competing for scraps necessarily bashing him? Is the truth bashing?

I'm relaxed. You're the one that seems to have gotten worked up.

Fact is, some of us warned that if he didn't prove himself within the first 3 years and at the very most 4... recruiting would suffer. Even the most devoted Butch follower can't deny that recruiting for the last two years has been far more of a struggle than the first two when Jones was selling promises rather than reality.

To quote The Dude:

 

[sanddune50]

No. You said he was a "scrap". You were wrong by using him since UT doesn't have him yet... and effectively wrong since Hubbs seems to think UT's chances hinge on Bama not wanting him.


Not necessary. You were wrong- doubly wrong.

Well then, you are a liar and nobody should listen to anything you say moving forward.

 

[Big Sun]

SIAP https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...t-alabama-de-tim-williams-ahead-of-nfl-draft/

Apparently Tim Williams failed multiple drug tests at Alabama and all he got was a 1st half suspension vs UK and that was for a gun charge.

issues with marijuana??