Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXII

[bignewt]

You make some good points here but also you can't overlook the power of perception. I guarantee you that every team in the SEC will use that Haney article against us in the next 12 months if they haven't already.

Other schools don't have to fight this kind of crap as much as we do. Glad to see UT finally stepping up and squashing some of this crap.

I agree that it seems to be unique to us but we are also much closer to it and I know I don't read every article that comes out about every school.

As for negative recruiting it may lend itself to a greater negative perception that other coaches can point to but in itself I doubt it carries much weight. Could you see Saban or Muschamp saying "don't go to UT, I mean did you read this internet article?"

 

[BaldBiker]

I agree that it seems to be unique to us but we are also much closer to it and I know I don't read every article that comes out about every school.

As for negative recruiting it may lend itself to a greater negative perception that other coaches can point to but in itself I doubt it carries much weight. Could you see Saban or Muschamp saying "don't go to UT, I mean did you read this internet article?"

Saban? Probably not. Muschamp? Absolutely.

 

[butchna]

Interesting how Rucker and Callahan have changed their tune. They defended Haney and the original hit piece in December.

THEN they glimpsed the resulting numbers. :blink:

 

[Wickman]

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[Catbone]

Should be against board rules imo.

Here's the quote so he doesn't get the clicks


“I think he’s been benefitted from that (AD change),” one SEC assistant
told us. “If they had a stable AD, I bet he’s gone. I know a lot of coaches
who feel like they’re kind of taking it easy on him. It’s been there for
the taking for them. They never took it.”

Sounds plausible to me tbh

 

[LaagerVol]

My point is that these "hit pieces" are more like "baby chick peck pieces" nobody cares. Well some do, the 12 on here and whoever gives them money. When you give them attention and rant and rave it gives them attention and that is what they are really after. Haney is a toddler, quit treating him like Darth Vader.

So you don't think that garbage gets used against us in recruiting.

 

[LaagerVol]

I agree that it seems to be unique to us but we are also much closer to it and I know I don't read every article that comes out about every school.

As for negative recruiting it may lend itself to a greater negative perception that other coaches can point to but in itself I doubt it carries much weight. Could you see Saban or Muschamp saying "don't go to UT, I mean did you read this internet article?"

I don't care what other teams fans think, I care how recruits perceive it.

 

[Kristy*]

Pretty quickly too. December...several unknown sources on the hill. March....one unknown source from another SEC school.

By june Haney will be quoting unknown sources from Spain about the state of UT Football...lol

Or, like a certain poster here, he'll just quote himself as a reference.

 

[LynxVol]

I'm thinking whatever happened to Brice really ticked them off

I think it's a little of that but not too much. I don't think them and Brice are best buds, but I think there's mutual respect there. I think more of it has to do with the backlash they are receiving by being associated with Haney. Moreover, it's affecting their ability to do their jobs. Their sources on the Hill are possibly done, and they're going to lose subscriptions.

They didn't have anything to do with the article. However, instead of being perceived as defending the article right after it was released simply to defend a co-worker, they probably should have spoken up sooner.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Or, like a certain poster here, he'll just quote himself as a reference.

I wish I could like this 100 times.

 

[Chuckie]

Sounds plausible to me tbh

Shocking

 

[85SugarVol]

Sounds plausible to me tbh

Sit down, ***** cat

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I 100% believe that Tennessee not having any true "homers" in the media and actually having "enemies" in its own backyard--many of whom are alumni--actively hurts the program.

UGA, LSU, Bama, UF, Auburn, etc, don't have to worry about their own media guys coming out of left field to attack the program with clickbait stories every month. And of course the state's biggest media market to the West is stacked with northern liberal transplants who love nothing more than to write takedowns of the university and its athletics programs.

Then we also have the local police looking to make headlines by arresting Tennessee players and hammering them with the harshest charges possible, although that (knock on wood) seems to be less of an issue with Butch.

If you write hit pieces in Alabama about either school, you don't have a job for long. We are the only school in the SEC that has to put up with this horsecrap. Maybe UGA with the ATL journalists..and they used to be pretty good about being objective even when going after UGA for something.

 

[volinbama256]

Haney gonna go write for Clemson...

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Kuharsky was wrong. He read a false twitter account lol

 

[BigZiti09]

I agree that it seems to be unique to us but we are also much closer to it and I know I don't read every article that comes out about every school.

As for negative recruiting it may lend itself to a greater negative perception that other coaches can point to but in itself I doubt it carries much weight. Could you see Saban or Muschamp saying "don't go to UT, I mean did you read this internet article?"

Yes. I absolutely believe other schools negative recruit and it no doubt carries weight.

I have no doubt that the Haney article was sent to recruits by rival coaches. Zero doubt about that.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Sounds plausible to me tbh

SMH..figures.

 

[bignewt]

Yes. I absolutely believe other schools negative recruit and it no doubt carries weight.

I have no doubt that the Haney article was sent to recruits by rival coaches. Zero doubt about that.

Well if they pick another school because of a Haney article


a) they are so stupid I'm surprised they can read
b) I also have candy in my van invite them in

 

[BigZiti09]

Well if they pick another school because of a Haney article


a) they are so stupid I'm surprised they can read
b) I also have candy in my van invite them in

Go talk to some 17 year old kids and get back to me.

 

[Catbone]

Sit down, ***** cat

You do you and I'll do me. Don't cry kiddo, you'll be okay. ☺

 

[Aesius]

Well if they pick another school because of a Haney article


a) they are so stupid I'm surprised they can read
b) I also have candy in my van invite them in

I guarantee recruits' parents have seen/read both of Haney's articles (likely sent to them by coaches at rival schools) and called Jones or the other staff members and asked them if it's true. That's likely why Rucker said that they were bombarded by calls from UT after the most recent article was published.

It's an easy way to plant a seed of doubt in their minds. If their kid really likes Tennessee and another school, who's to say that they won't make their decision based on whether they think the head coach will still be there in 2018? The article is mostly baseless, but parents don't follow the program as rabidly as we do, and they may not realize how shady the story is.

 

[LaagerVol]

Well if they pick another school because of a Haney article


a) they are so stupid I'm surprised they can read
b) I also have candy in my van invite them in

Right, because recruits pick or don't pick a school because of ONE thing..... Say a recruit is on the fence and all else is equal, ever think maybe a rival coach could convince the recruit that the article is foretelling what is going to happen, convince the recruit that Butch is about to get fired. No one is saying that would be the only reason, but it can be used against us, which we don't need anymore than what we've already had to defend against. This crap adds up.

Basically your contribution to this website is to scoff at and make fun of people who think something is more of a big deal than you think it is.

 

[BigZiti09]

Newt right now....

 

[LaagerVol]

I guarantee recruits' parents have seen/read both of Haney's articles (likely sent to them by coaches at rival schools) and called Jones or the other staff members and asked them if it's true. That's likely why Rucker said that they were bombarded by calls from UT after the most recent article was published.

It's an easy way to plant a seed of doubt in their minds. If their kid really likes Tennessee and another school, who's to say that they won't make their decision based on whether they think the head coach will still be there in 2018? The article is mostly baseless, but parents don't follow the program as rabidly as we do, and they may not realize how shady the story is.

You said it better than I did.

 

[LaagerVol]

Newt right now....

At this point he knows he is wrong, he just doesn't want to admit it.