Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIV

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I think Uf defense takes a dive down. Lost their great coach and lost a ton of talent the last three years. Should be easier to score on. Their offense could be better if they find a qb.
 
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therickbol said:
How in the world do you have any idea that he would be garbageat 3B, lol? You have never seen him play it. He is very athletic. He is a great fielder at 1B. Can he throw it well? So there is a reasonable assumption that given opportunity to work at it he could possibly play the position. Guess we will see.
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I've seen Freddie run the bases and play first. That's plenty to know he will be a disaster. He's too big and lumbering to charge a ball or range to his left.

It takes good third basemen years to learn the footwork to field their position then throw to first.

On top of that, how many guys do you remember going from first to third? Third to first, sure. The other way around - not so much.
 
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Mullins2010 said:
UT opens as 24.5 point underdog to Bama and 9.5 underdog to Florida
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What do people see in UF? They were an bad last year, and they lost a ton of talent, and they haven't recruited well at all when it comes to replacing that talent. I get the Bama line but almost double digit dog to UF when we have way more experience returning on a team that beat them last year and have recruited as well or better than they have? I think it's more likely that they miss a bowl game than win the east.
 
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Florida fell into the SECCG 2 years in a row and no one had then anywhere near Atlanta. They are trying to say it'll happen again and hope they're right this time
 
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VolBalla2014 said:
You gotta watch the tape. Kid is unbelievable. I'm talking like 60 yard throws off a back foot
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I've watched some tape. Only full game I've watched was Boise state. But man Rosen's got the best arm in the class when healthy and Darnold has that it factor. That last touchdown in the rose bowl was something special. This 2018 QB class might be the best ever with those three, Lamar Jackson, mason Rudolph, falk, mayfield, and then a couple wild cards like Francois from FSU or maybe dormady from Tennessee 😎
 
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jave36 said:
What do people see in UF? They were an bad last year, and they lost a ton of talent, and they haven't recruited well at all when it comes to replacing that talent. I get the Bama line but almost double digit dog to UF when we have way more experience returning on a team that beat them last year and have recruited as well or better than they have? I think it's more likely that they miss a bowl game than win the east.
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I think they are looking at UF having a QB with big game experience, versus UT having to go into the swamp with new QB. Then throw in that it will be the first big road game in a hostile environment (I don't count ATL VS GT because there will be more Orange there than Gold) and I imagine that is what the Vegas guys are looking at to come up with that line.
 
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I think QD might have one of the best arms in all of college. He will vault up draft boards if he delivers this year. Elite arm talent. Gotta handle preassure and make calls at the line.
 
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Blake25p said:
And Jamarcus Russell could throw it 70 yards on his knees...
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Did you watch the tape? Because comparing him to Jamarcus is just silly. He can actually make timing routes and isn't addicted to lean. Completely different players. I'm just stating what NFL scouts said. Not stating my opinion as fact... He plays like Joe Flacco
 
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volinexile17 said:
I've seen Freddie run the bases and play first. That's plenty to know he will be a disaster. He's too big and lumbering to charge a ball or range to his left.

It takes good third basemen years to learn the footwork to field their position then throw to first.

On top of that, how many guys do you remember going from first to third? Third to first, sure. The other way around - not so much.
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Lumbering, lol. He is very good athlete for a guy his size. If he is not able to transition successfully it will be because of the throwing aspect of 3B. It will not be because of fielding the baseball.
 
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31VFL said:
How often have we won as underdogs? I'm not being smart when I ask that. Just curious.
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I remember a really talented Tennessee team going into the swamp in '01 as about 3 touchdown underdogs. Guarantee the OBC remembers it as well. May have been Spurriers best team at Florida, top three at least.

Just seems like UT and Florida are pretty evenly matched. Considering UF had home field, a 4-6 point line seems more appropriate.
 
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Vols4us said:
I agree for the most part. I am trying to make the point that unless we break every play down and know how to do that, we do not know if it was a protection call issue or bad play by the O-line due to incompetency or injury. We do know from an offensive lineman that played 3 years with Dobbs that he rarely changed the calls. He wished Dobbs had done so. Ainge also made the same point. Another option is that some of it can also be whether Butch and staff recruited to his system well or not. Probably a combination of all of it.
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No real argument here. We don't really know the reasons the OL has struggled in pass protection. But that doesn't change that they have struggled and there were too many times guys just couldn't block their man.

In general, I just find it funny at times that posters say the O-line is bad when the offense finished as high as it did in the stats. Nothing happens right on offense if the O-line is not doing doing at least an adequate job.
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I think most of the criticism towards the OL has been in their pass blocking specifically. In 2015 and 2016 we saw them run the gamut from competent to very good in the run game. No doubt that contributed to the offensive success considering running the ball has been our offense's bread and butter the past two seasons

36 points a game did not happen only because Dobbs was Superman or Kamara was greased lightning. They needed blocking to go with it.
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Sure helps when your QB can erase sacks like this.
 
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utvols88 said:
So your logic is blame the oline despite knowing that dobbs didn't correct the protection that originated from a call that the oline didn't make? Lol. K.
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I encourage you to re read my post and make a second effort at understanding my logic. In case you need cliff notes:

All I'm saying is that we've seen too many times when our guy simply couldn't block his guy. At the end of the day, play in the trenches is fundamentally about beating your man. And we haven't been up to snuff in "our guy beating their guy" department in pass protection over the past few seasons.




Blame protections all you want, but there have been too many times over the past 2 seasons where we've had 5-6 guys who couldn't hold up against a 4 man rush. Injuries have likely exacerbated the problem and Dobbs not calling the right protections may have as well. However, there's no protection that can account for a DL simply blowing by his man.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I encourage you to re read my post and make a second effort at understanding my logic. In case you need cliff notes:

All I'm saying is that we've seen too many times when our guy simply couldn't block his guy. At the end of the day, play in the trenches is fundamentally about beating your man. And we haven't been up to snuff in "our guy beating their guy" department in pass protection over the past few seasons.




Blame protections all you want, but there have been too many times over the past 2 seasons where we've had 5-6 guys who couldn't hold up against a 4 man rush. Injuries have likely exacerbated the problem and Dobbs not calling the right protections may have as well. However, there's no protection that can account for a DL simply blowing by his man.
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I disagree, I rarely saw our guys, inside especially, getting physically beaten one on one. They were more often missing assignments and DL were just running straight through untouched or grabbed on their way by. It looked to my admittedly amateur eye that they were unsure of the assignment until it was too late, so they'd grab or whiff or be so off balance that they were easily knocked down or pushed aside.
 
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therickbol said:
Lumbering, lol. He is very good athlete for a guy his size. If he is not able to transition successfully it will be because of the throwing aspect of 3B. It will not be because of fielding the baseball.
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There's a lot more to fielding than catching the ball when it's hit right at you.
 
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jave36 said:
I disagree, I rarely saw our guys, inside especially, getting physically beaten one on one. They were more often missing assignments and DL were just running straight through untouched or grabbed on their way by. It looked to my admittedly amateur eye that they were unsure of the assignment until it was too late, so they'd grab or whiff or be so off balance that they were easily knocked down or pushed aside.
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Most often our guys who've gotten blown by have OTs, who just haven't been the best at handling some of the upper tier SEC edge rushers.

On the inside, Coleman Thomas has been too susceptible to getting bull rushed the past two years. But I think our OGs have been mostly good (outside of JRob's game against App State last year).



I'm not trying to act like Dobbs shouldn't shoulder any blame. He definitely could have gotten rid of the ball quicker in some cases or possibly could have changed more plays/protections. But there were also times he bailed out our OL in pass pro as well, and I think they mostly evened out.

It will be interesting to see how the unit does this year with a new coach, more experience, and better depth. I'm also interested to see how the dynamic changes from a QB like Dobbs who might bail on a play too early when he's under pressure (but might also turn a busted protection into a 15 yard gain with his legs) to a less athletic QB (relative to Dobbs, that is) who seems to be more consistent in the short/intermediate passing game.


Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing an improved unit in pass protection. If they stay relatively healthy, there shouldn't be any excuse not to be better there in 2017
 
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