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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Josh Dobbs also averaged more total yards per game and more total TDs per game in his Tennessee career than Peyton Manning did over his Tennessee career.

Dobbs is very underrated.
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Idk if we'll ever have another QB who is as dynamic running the ball as Dobbs was for us. There are lots of other QBs in CFB who were/are just as athletic as him, but he was slippery AF running the ball. He just had such a natural knack for making defenders miss and knowing when to lower his shoulder and power through.

He really came on passing as a senior too. He still struggled with inconsistency at times, but he was as good with the deep ball his senior year as just about any QB in the nation.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The part about neither side caring about justice is not always true, but it is a worthless system.

"Justice system" is a total misnomer. It's become a results oriented system that gives little consideration to whether the path to that result was the correct one.
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You might want to rethink your role. If you don't believe in the system how can you be an effective part of it Writ comment number 2.
 
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The difference between me and a lot of guys on this board is I want the best QB to play and I don't care who it is. Some of you pull for certain players almost as much as you pull for the Vols. I also get the feeling that if your guy doesn't start that you almost hope we lose so you can be right.

I don't care if walk-ons start as long as we win.
 
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UTMark said:
The difference between me and a lot of guys on this board is I want the best QB to play and I don't care who it is. Some of you pull for certain players almost as much as you pull for the Vols. I also get the feeling that if your guy doesn't start that you almost hope we lose so you can be right.

I don't care if walk-ons start as long as we win.
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It's not really a lot of guys. Most want the guy who gives us the best chance to win. Just one particular poster drives the narrative.
 
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vol81 said:
You might want to rethink your role. If you don't believe in the system how can you be an effective part of it Writ comment number 2.
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I do it as well, and his point is valid. It's not always about doing the right thing- some people want results no matter the case. You can be a great advocate and still think this.
 
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Tennessee Golfer said:
It's not really a lot of guys. Most want the guy who gives us the best chance to win. Just one particular poster drives the narrative.
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You're probably right.

But this time we're talking about QB. There are other posters that fall in love with another positional player and do the same thing. Saying "a lot" is probably a stretch though.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I do it as well, and his point is valid. It's not always about doing the right thing- some people want results no matter the case. You can be a great advocate and still think this.
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I happen to know a little about the inner workings of our system of justice. It is not perfect but it is by far the best one on the planet. Zealous advocacy of clients' interests within the bounds of established ethical and evidentiary standards in front of a neutral third party decision-maker with factual disputes decided by neutral ordinary folks. Sounds good on paper and works pretty good in reality if the players understand and perform their duties competently.
In a criminal case, it is especially important for the advocates to accept and embrace their role in the system for it to work. It's all about due process and making sure a fair trial is had. For all sides. Victim (if one), Government AND Defendant.
In my book its the Jury and the Judge that have all the pressure. They are the ones who determine guilt or innocence. Not the advocates. The Judge has to decide, as the 13th juror, if the jury reached the right result. Then there is appellate review, at several levels. And federal oversight.
Sure some innocent people are convicted. Many more guilty ones are not. Its not perfect remember.
But I think it does work as long as the participants adhere to and embrace their respective roles..........
 
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vol81 said:
I happen to know a little about the inner workings of our system of justice. It is not perfect but it is by far the best one on the planet. Zealous advocacy of clients' interests within the bounds of established ethical and evidentiary standards in front of a neutral third party decision-maker with factual disputes decided by neutral ordinary folks. Sounds good on paper and works pretty good in reality if the players understand and perform their duties competently.
In a criminal case, it is especially important for the advocates to accept and embrace their role in the system for it to work. It's all about due process and making sure a fair trial is had. For all sides. Victim (if one), Government AND Defendant.
In my book its the Jury and the Judge that have all the pressure. They are the ones who determine guilt or innocence. Not the advocates. The Judge has to decide, as the 13th juror, if the jury reached the right result. Then there is appellate review, at several levels. And federal oversight.
Sure some innocent people are convicted. Many more guilty ones are not. Its not perfect remember.
But I think it does work as long as the participants adhere to and embrace their respective roles..........
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Good post.
 
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vol81 said:
I happen to know a little about the inner working of our system of justice. It is not perfect but it is by far the best one on the planet. Zealous advocacy of clients' interests within the bounds of established ethical and evidentiary standards in front of a neutral third party decision-maker with factual disputes decided by neutral ordinary folks.
In a criminal case, the advocates must accept and embrace their role in the system for it to work. It's all about due process and making sure a fair trial is had.
In my book its the Jury and the Judge that have all the pressure. They are the ones who determine guilt or innocence. Not the advocates. The Judge has to decide, as the 13th juror, if the jury reached the right result. Then there is appellate review, at several levels. And federal oversight.
Sure some innocent people are convicted. Many more guilty ones are not. Its not perfect remember.
But I think it does work as long as the participants adhere to and embrace their respective roles..........
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I don't disagree with any of that, but what you described is a perfect scenario. It's still driven by results, just like most other professions. The problem is that it is very unique and should not always be about results. A person's freedom should not be a number in the win or loss column. Evaluate the case, and resolve it based on the evidence, not trying to create something that's not there.

At the end of the day, I do get to go home regardless of outcome. But when you are the only one protecting someone from freedom, its human nature to feel pressure.
 
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UTMark said:
The difference between me and a lot of guys on this board is I want the best QB to play and I don't care who it is. Some of you pull for certain players almost as much as you pull for the Vols. I also get the feeling that if your guy doesn't start that you almost hope we lose so you can be right.

I don't care if walk-ons start as long as we win.
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FWIW, same here, regardless of whom I think has the higher upside ultimately. I just wanna see us win games, even if it's with Jancek or McBride (and I was admittedly critical of his upside).

As long as we're winning, IDGAF who is the QB
 
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vol81 said:
I happen to know a little about the inner workings of our system of justice. It is not perfect but it is by far the best one on the planet. Zealous advocacy of clients' interests within the bounds of established ethical and evidentiary standards in front of a neutral third party decision-maker with factual disputes decided by neutral ordinary folks. Sounds good on paper and works pretty good in reality if the players understand and perform their duties competently.
In a criminal case, it is especially important for the advocates to accept and embrace their role in the system for it to work. It's all about due process and making sure a fair trial is had. For all sides. Victim (if one), Government AND Defendant.
In my book its the Jury and the Judge that have all the pressure. They are the ones who determine guilt or innocence. Not the advocates. The Judge has to decide, as the 13th juror, if the jury reached the right result. Then there is appellate review, at several levels. And federal oversight.
Sure some innocent people are convicted. Many more guilty ones are not. Its not perfect remember.
But I think it does work as long as the participants adhere to and embrace their respective roles..........
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Go try a murder case and get back to me about how an attorney shouldn't feel any pressure.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don't disagree with any of that, but what you described is a perfect scenario. It's still driven by results, just like most other professions. The problem is that it is very unique and should not always be about results. A person's freedom should not be a number in the win or loss column. Evaluate the case, and resolve it based on the evidence, not trying to create something that's not there.

At the end of the day, I do get to go home regardless of outcome. But when you are the only one protecting someone from freedom, its human nature to feel pressure.
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As you know the vast majority of criminal cases are resolved by plea agreement, where what you suggest actually happens and the system works. Its just the cases profiled in the media that go to trial that the Gloria Allreds', Marilyn Mosbys', Johnnie Cochrans' of the world take center stage and make the trial their personal playground for advancing themselves and their causes through perceived wins and losses. They take lady Justices' blind off and the system suffers as a result. Sometimes judges/jurors see through this (Mosby's multiple losses in Baltimore); somtimes they don't (OJ).
 
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im in Louisville, there's a crane downtown on a construction site with an orange and white checkerboard flag waving at the top. its awesome. i need football
 
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unioncityvol said:
im in Louisville, there's a crane downtown on a construction site with an orange and white checkerboard flag waving at the top. its awesome. i need football
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Before I left Nashville...to move to the beach...I drove by the Mercedes dealership that Nick Saban is building/opening in Nashville....there was a crane with an Orange and white checkerboard flag flying on it, on the building site there too.

I love football.
 
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unioncityvol said:
im in Louisville, there's a crane downtown on a construction site with an orange and white checkerboard flag waving at the top. its awesome. i need football
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That orange and white flag is on cranes all over the country. Don't think it has anything to do with Tennessee. I've seen it in almost every state I visited when I traveled for work. Been in every state except Alaska. Someone in construction could tell us what the flag means. I'm guessing safety.
 
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