Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIV

[butchna]

Fans I can promise you were saying there isn't much difference in the two. I just left it alone they'll see if we run the read option. If he's the QB I hope we don't. Going to get our RBs punished by the backside DE.

You can "promise fans were saying"? Never go full K-Town King. :lol:

 

[UTMVol76]

Fans I can promise you were saying there isn't much difference in the two. I just left it alone they'll see if we run the read option. If he's the QB I hope we don't. Going to get our RBs punished by the backside DE.

There are always gonna be idiots. They both have skill sets that can make them each successful. They are different skill sets though.

 

[Smokey123]

In shorts. Do it with pads and holla back.

I mean, His SPARQ rating wasn't the only reason he was the #1 DT QB in the country

 

[The Breakerboy]

You can "promise fans were saying"? Never go full K-Town King. :lol:

Dude I'm not filtering back through the thread but fans were adamant that they were close as athletes. Saying JG wasn't mobile because of the two sacks. Just DUMB based on the sacks where he wasn't run down at all from behind. I'm hoping we don't run read option at all if #12 the QB. It will look like when Hurd was getting killed. O-line can't block that unblocked defender the QB is supposed to account for.

 

[LaagerVol]

Do you really want your QB getting hit by my LBs all game? He's not a natural runner and I'd make sure we hit him every time you ran read option. It's a free shot on the QB.

It's a win/win for you then because Dormady getting hurt would clear the way for your boy to start 😂

I will say this, if Dormady starts we better hope he is good enough to go to the league after this year because I don't see Guarantano sticking around 2 years on the bench.

 

[butchna]

Dude I'm not filtering back through the thread but fans were adamant that they were close as athletes. Saying JG wasn't mobile because of the two sacks. Just DUMB based on the sacks where he wasn't run down at all from behind. I'm hoping we don't run read option at all if #12 the QB. It will look like when Hurd was getting killed. O-line can't block that unblocked defender the QB is supposed to account for.

So can you guarantee that these fans opinions mean a damn thing? :wink2:

 

[butchna]

It's a win/win for you then because Dormady getting hurt would clear the way for your boy to start 😂

I will say this, if Dormady starts we better hope he is good enough to go to the league after this year because I don't see Guarantano sticking around 2 years on the bench.

I'm sure he'd transfer and be eligible at his new school at the same time the job would be available here.

 

[The Breakerboy]

It's a win/win for you then because Dormady getting hurt would clear the way for your boy to start 😂

I will say this, if Dormady starts we better hope he is good enough to go to the league after this year because I don't see Guarantano sticking around 2 years on the bench.

Who said I wanted a kid hurt???? I want JG to beat him for the job straight up.... I have no expectations for #12 if he's the starter. If he performs good then he does but am I expecting him to in big games? No.......

 

[The Breakerboy]

So can you guarantee that these fans opinions mean a damn thing? :wink2:

What are you talking about? It's a message board where the hype train was 100mph for #12 after the Spring Game.

 

[butchna]

Who said I wanted a kid hurt???? I want JG to beat him for the job straight up.... I have no expectations for #12 if he's the starter. If he performs good then he does but am I expecting him to in big games? No.......

If Dormady wins the job, you're going to be such a tedious whiny baby. :boredom:

 

[VolGee4]

There always needs to be a read for the DEFENSE if you're running that offense and you want it to work, even if you're blocking both DE. An RB with no running start and an LB who's keying on him needs a huge hole and perfect blocking from the OL at the second level to make anything happen.

Ask the experts about it. But based on my reading, it is my understanding that the point of the inside zone run is for the OL to initially double team the DL in front of them and when they have them neutralized, one OL peels off and gets to the LB at the second level. It is a straight running play and is not designed for the QB to keep it. We aren't the only ones to run it either. An article I saw specifically mentioned Clemson and OSU.

 

[ob79]

I don't care if QD or JG wear a numbered trash bag as a jersey, just win.

 

[butchna]

What are you talking about? It's a message board where the hype train was 100mph for #12 after the Spring Game.

Wouldn't have been "hype"' if you removed the 1...amirite?

 

[LaagerVol]

Who said I wanted a kid hurt???? I want JG to beat him for the job straight up.... I have no expectations for #12 if he's the starter. If he performs good then he does but am I expecting him to in big games? No.......

I was obviously joking about you being happy for him to get hurt part. Thats why I used the crying laughing emoji

Edit* for the record, I have no favorite in this QB competition. I just want us to win.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Yeah so you would let him handoff to Kelly who's a big threat I see. Or a let the offense run a slow QB? Give me the QB and blast him all game he'll fumble or they will stop running him to try to save their QB. A QB that doesn't threaten the defense in the read option shouldn't be used in that system. We would have to go under center with him at QB to run the ball effectively.

You didn't get the memo?

Tennessee football offensive coordinator Larry Scott is expected to keep Butch Jones’s system. But he did say the Volunteers would go under center more.

https://allfortennessee.com/2017/06/25/tennessee-football-larry-scott/

 

[VolGee4]

1) what other qbs who werent mobile have successfully run the read option offense for an extended period?

2) look at a broader sample size. In games when Dobbs hardly kept the ball, look how our offense struggled. And look how it changed the instant Dobbs started keeping the ball. Having a running threat at QB in this offense is absolutely essential to sustain offensive success throughout a game and throughout a season. Even in those games you cited, look how bad our offense was except for UGA. Citing rushing stats doesn't tell the whole story in a blowout loss against Oregon, and our offense was pretty bad against USC despite the rushing yards.

You're oversimplifying it by saying the offense doesn't need a mobile qb because we had decent rushing yards in those games. And it took us 40 attempts to get those yards against USC. That's not productive, successful offense that's capable of winning championships, and my point is that this offense can't take us to that level without a mobile qb. Dormady can take us to that level, but not with a zone read. Imo

We struggled sometimes when they didn't run Dobbs because he wasn't a great passer. Dormady should greatly enhance the passing game.

 

[Volnukem]

I guess I suck at explaining.

The RB never has to look at the qb to find the ball. They're always looking up field. They practice handoffs thousands and thousands of times for that reason.

If the RB is standing beside the qb, he doesn't start moving toward the LOS until after he has the ball. If the qb is under center, the RB is already running to the LOS by the time he has the ball.

So in a zone read, one second after the snap, the RB is just starting to move forward, so he has no chance to break a tackle or make someone miss because he barely even has the ball and hasn't moved yet. In a traditional handoff, he's already halfway up to speed and can break tackles easier and can make guys miss easier and can hit quickly-closing holes much faster than the RB in a zone read.

The zones read works because the defense isn't sure who has the ball, so they have to wait to male a move until they know, so the runner uses that extra time to get up to speed.

Source: Malzahn RB and backup qb from HS and his stint at Tulsa. I don't claim any football genius, just watched games with some Malzahn players who are friends of mine and they tell me what Gus always told them.

Nobody is talking about the zone read play. That is literally one play out several dozen in our playbook. I am saying you can run the football effectively out of the our offense, which includes counters, inside zone, outside zone, pin and pull, etc.

That's a great source and all, but you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Option plays like the zone read allow the offense to take a guy out of a play without blocking him (DE for zone read or DT for midline, for example). That player is left unblocked and has to make a decision. The QB has to make the option player wrong. If he takes the RB keep it. If he hesitants, give it to the RB. Defensive players aren't waiting to figure out who has the ball. They have Gap assignments. When they read run usually by whatever OL or TE they are keying, they go to their gap then find the ball.

 

[HankHill]

Dude I'm not filtering back through the thread but fans were adamant that they were close as athletes. Saying JG wasn't mobile because of the two sacks. Just DUMB based on the sacks where he wasn't run down at all from behind. I'm hoping we don't run read option at all if #12 the QB. It will look like when Hurd was getting killed. O-line can't block that unblocked defender the QB is supposed to account for.

Just curious, outside of the O/W game, how much have you actually seen JG play?Also, I don't think think you realize how under developed he looks under his pads. i don't think there's anyway he could hold up in a read option offense, dobbs looks like cam Newton compared to JG.

 

[Vol464]

If Dormady wins the job, you're going to be such a tedious whiny baby. :boredom:

Nailed it.

 

[VolGee4]

I guess I suck at explaining.

The RB never has to look at the qb to find the ball. They're always looking up field. They practice handoffs thousands and thousands of times for that reason.

If the RB is standing beside the qb, he doesn't start moving toward the LOS until after he has the ball. If the qb is under center, the RB is already running to the LOS by the time he has the ball.

So in a zone read, one second after the snap, the RB is just starting to move forward, so he has no chance to break a tackle or make someone miss because he barely even has the ball and hasn't moved yet. In a traditional handoff, he's already halfway up to speed and can break tackles easier and can make guys miss easier and can hit quickly-closing holes much faster than the RB in a zone read.

The zones read works because the defense isn't sure who has the ball, so they have to wait to male a move until they know, so the runner uses that extra time to get up to speed.

Source: Malzahn RB and backup qb from HS and his stint at Tulsa. I don't claim any football genius, just watched games with some Malzahn players who are friends of mine and they tell me what Gus always told them.

The only difference that I see is that the zone read and inside zone run are two different things. The zone read leaves a DE exposed and forces the QB to read it. The inside zone run is an automatic handoff and designed for the OL to run a zone scheme. If the RB is having to miss a tackle immediately then the OL is not doing their job. The zone run also allows the RB to read the blocking sooner in the backfield. We run both plays with variations on the inside zone run.

 

[Volnukem]

The only difference that I see is that the zone read and inside zone run are two different things. The zone read leaves a DE exposed and forces the QB to read it. The inside zone run is an automatic handoff and designed for the OL to run a zone scheme. If the RB is having to miss a tackle immediately then the OL is not doing their job. The zone run also allows the RB to read the blocking sooner in the backfield. We run both plays with variations on the inside zone run.

You got it.

 

[Ericvol2096]

Official projection boys.

10-2 (6-2)

Gonna be a good yr

 

[VOLuptuousBOOMS]

Breaking: Stargazers are furious as Baylor defies all laws of physics obtaining the nations number one class with 18 3 Stars.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Official projection boys.

10-2 (6-2)

Gonna be a good yr

My prediction as well. Think we're going to get good QB play. If so, we can beat anyone on our schedule imo

 

[Kristy*]

Just curious, outside of the O/W game, how much have you actually seen JG play?Also, I don't think think you realize how under developed he looks under his pads. i don't think there's anyway he could hold up in a read option offense, dobbs looks like cam Newton compared to JG.

In pads, JG looks like freshman Dobbs, who held up just fine.