Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIV

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VolGee4 said:
I don't think I agree, but you can believe it or not. The bottom line is there are straight running plays where the QB doesn't read anything. If you read about the zone blocking scheme, a couple of the OL initially doubles the DL. Upon neutralizing the DL, one then gets to the next level to block the LB. That's the whole point of the zone blocking scheme. The OL actually needs an extra second to get to the next level.

Ask and expert, but I am pretty sure that is correct. You are caught up on all of our plays being read options, and they are not. Just google it and you will find a breakdown of the zone runs and schemes.
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You're addressing a different point than the one I'm making. The OL blocking scheme is irrelevant to my point. It's my fault for initially using poor terminology.

Whether the play is a designed handoff or a read option is irrelevant to my point. If we run every single play from shotgun and the RB is next to the QB, and therefore our RB never get a running start toward the LOS, we need the defense to believe that the qb is a threat to keep the ball.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
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jave36 said:
Even on the straight handoffs to RB, the hope is that the defense doesn't know its a designed handoff. That's why you almost always see the qb with both hands on the ball during the handoff instead of the traditional one handed handoff. The hope is that the defense is worried about the qb pulling the ball and keeping it.

Since the running back doesn't get a running start on the handoff, the OL has to hold those blocks longer, which lowers the success rate of the play. Even if it's blocked properly. Unless there is some degree of fear that the QB will keep it.
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That action is only to prevent the second level from being able to "key" the play. The DL has their assigned gaps and plays them.

Regardless of it's under center or shotgun a zone based running attack is going to be slower developing because the whole purpose of it is to get the defense flowing laterally and allow the RB to pick his hole.

In a man running attack the under-center vs shotgun alignment matters a little more because it's designed to go to one particular gap.
 
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BJHSVol said:
That action is only to prevent the second level from being able to "key" the play. The DL has their assigned gaps and plays them.

Regardless of it's under center or shotgun a zone based running attack is going to be slower developing because the whole purpose of it is to get the defense flowing laterally and allow the RB to pick his hole.

In a man running attack the under-center vs shotgun alignment matters a little more because it's designed to go to one particular gap.
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Exactly. That's my point. You said it better than I did.

If the qb is 0 threat to keep the ball, the second level CAN key the play. The slower developing play requires the defense to not be able to key the play, and if a qb can't/won't keep the ball and do something with it, then the second level will key the RB and flow the direction he's headed.
 
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Good LB pickup with Flint... keep the LB's coming--- does anyone know if we are still in it for Adam Anderson from Rome GA?
 
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jave36 said:
Exactly. That's my point. You said it better than I did.

If the qb is 0 threat to keep the ball, the second level CAN key the play. The slower developing play requires the defense to not be able to key the play, and if a qb can't/won't keep the ball and do something with it, then the second level will key the RB and flow the direction he's headed.
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You know that's why play action was invented right? There are lots of zone based running schemes that don't have a running quarterback. Arian Foster made a living at Houston in that system.
 
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jave36 said:
Exactly. That's my point. You said it better than I did.

If the qb is 0 threat to keep the ball, the second level CAN key the play. The slower developing play requires the defense to not be able to key the play, and if a qb can't/won't keep the ball and do something with it, then the second level will key the RB and flow the direction he's headed.
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Right but my point is that in a zone scheme that's not a bad thing because there is no designed gap for the run to go to. It would creat cutback lanes and that's the zones "counter" to any over pursuit.

Maybe not you specifically , but I feel like a lot of the center vs shotgun alignment argument comes from the failures of Hurd from running from shotgun. But that's because he isn't a fit for the zone scheme. The success he had running under center was because those plays were run under a man scheme, but sometimes that nuance gets lost and the argument then becomes under center vs shotgun.
 
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jave36 said:
You're addressing a different point than the one I'm making. The OL blocking scheme is irrelevant to my point. It's my fault for initially using poor terminology.

Whether the play is a designed handoff or a read option is irrelevant to my point. If we run every single play from shotgun and the RB is next to the QB, and therefore our RB never get a running start toward the LOS, we need the defense to believe that the qb is a threat to keep the ball.
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I will let these other guys finish the discussion. The blocking scheme is relevant to this discussion.

As Volnukem said, teams without running QB's run this scheme as well.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
[twitter]https://www.twitter.com/uninterrupted/status/892463083368595456/video/1[/twitter]
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2007 SEC Championship game I tailgated next to EBs dad. He was a very genuine and fun guy to talk to, and yes, his grilling was damn good. He had ribs, burgers and all sorts of good food and was letting everyone that was tailgating around there eat. Great family.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
2007 SEC Championship game I tailgated next to EBs dad. He was a very genuine and fun guy to talk to, and yes, his grilling was damn good. He had ribs, burgers and all sorts of good food and was letting everyone that was tailgating around there eat. Great family.
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I'd love to have some of those ribs right now
 
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[Twitter]https://twitter.com/barstooltenn/status/892792421754470400[/Twitter]

Music has a little language in it.
 
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Thread in FF said Jack Jones quit the team this past weekend, but after a long talk with Butch came back... Anyone know if this is true?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I hope that isn't true. I thought he was gonna start at LG this year
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Probably guessing that he isn't and he has two years of eligibility...and an unburnt redshirt. Seeing Boulware and Trey Smith in several projected starting lineups and THOSE are the ones with Robertson at center. Can't blame a kid who's waited beyond patiently who wants to play.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Thread in FF said Jack Jones quit the team this past weekend, but after a long talk with Butch came back... Anyone know if this is true?
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Have a really hard time believing it. Especially with how active he is with the UT Twitter stuff
 
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