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CBJ said yesterday that the D is ahead of the O and that's how it should be right now. He also said we have no continuity on O and need to get a lot better very quickly. So the media guys are probably taking his less positive comments and adding a more negative spin.
 
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BruinVol said:
I asked this last night after Dobbs 2nd INT but no one answered and I really would like to know the answer. It's a hard concept for me to understand.
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QBs typically go off progression reads based on coverage. They have their keys they look for presnap to determine whether the defense is playing man or zone. If it's man, you go from read 1 to read 2 then read 3. If it's zone you look for something else.

Zone blitzes look like man presnap but then switch to zone after the snap with the DE dropping into the middle of the defense to try and stop the crossing patterns typically used to beat man to man defense. When a QB thinks it's man presnap he's not gonna be looking for the guy dropping into zone. That's what happened on that play. Dobbs thought it was man defense because presnap the DB followed the WR in motion like it was man. But then the Giants went into zone. Dobbs didn't pick up on that and he threw a crossing pattern designed to beat man defense right to the DE that dropped into zone.

This is the type of exotic defense that even tricks long time NFL vets into INTs. Its a good learning experience for Dobbs. Its the type of stuff he'll be seeing in the regular season compared to the vanilla coverages most other rookies see in the preseason.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
they love it


if i was Butch i wouldnt let those guys near the facility to see anything at this point.
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They are dying for Butch to get fired. Then they'll be head cheerleaders for the next guy until he loses to Florida, at which point they will viciously turn on him and continue to hate him until the cycle repeats.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
QBs typically go off progression reads based on coverage. They have their keys they look for presnap to determine whether the defense is playing man or zone. If it's man, you go from read 1 to read 2 then read 3. If it's zone you look for something else.

Zone blitzes look like man presnap but then switch to zone after the snap with the DE dropping into the middle of the defense to try and stop the crossing patterns typically used to beat man to man defense. When a QB thinks it's man presnap he's not gonna be looking for the guy dropping into zone. That's what happened on that play. Dobbs thought it was man defense because presnap the DB followed the WR in motion like it was man. But then the Giants went into zone. Dobbs didn't pick up on that and he threw a crossing pattern designed to beat man defense right to the DE that dropped into zone.

This is the type of exotic defense that even tricks long time NFL vets into INTs. Its a good learning experience for Dobbs. Its the type of stuff he'll be seeing in the regular season compared to the vanilla coverages most other rookies see in the preseason.
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That seems like a good analysis to me.
 
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chavisut said:
Good grief. It was absolutely silly to be doing that.
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Unless they were competing for some lumberjack competition, I agree. I don't watch as much football as D4H but I never saw anything on the field that makes this seem particularly transferable to the sport of football.
 
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Orange And Garnet said:
I'm no expert but my thoughts are yes, the QB should know but I think it is more of an experience/ game planning type thing. A QB isn't looking at a DE at the time of the snap on a pass, but from watching film and gaining more experience you can tell that it's coming by seeing certain movements on the backend of the defense if that makes sense.

First game of his career against that defense then yeah he probably had no idea it was coming
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Dobbs was just tricked by the defensive coordinator. The defense looked like it was in man presnap. When they were actually in zone. Dobbs read it as man and threw a crossing route (which is what you throw versus man defense on 3rd and short). He didn't think the DE would be dropping into zone because the defense was in man presnap. That's why it looked so bad. He never saw him. He was just doing a progression read based on what the defense did presnap.

Its a good learning experience for Dobbs because this type of exotic defense is typically only utilized in the regular season. That's why people say don't take preseason success very seriously for a rookie QB because they only get exposed to stuff like this in the regular season against live bullets. Good for Josh that he gets to learn from his mistakes when they don't count.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
QBs typically go off progression reads based on coverage. They have their keys they look for presnap to determine whether the defense is playing man or zone. If it's man, you go from read 1 to read 2 then read 3. If it's zone you look for something else.

Zone blitzes look like man presnap but then switch to zone after the snap with the DE dropping into the middle of the defense to try and stop the crossing patterns typically used to beat man to man defense. When a QB thinks it's man presnap he's not gonna be looking for the guy dropping into zone. That's what happened on that play. Dobbs thought it was man defense because presnap the DB followed the WR in motion like it was man. But then the Giants went into zone. Dobbs didn't pick up on that and he threw a crossing pattern designed to beat man defense right to the DE that dropped into zone.

This is the type of exotic defense that even tricks long time NFL vets into INTs. Its a good learning experience for Dobbs. Its the type of stuff he'll be seeing in the regular season compared to the vanilla coverages most other rookies see in the preseason.
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This is exactly what happened.

Chalk it up to learning on the fly.

I saw enough from Dobbs to know he is better than Paxton Lynch and that if given time to develop he will be okay.
 
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LA Vol said:
CBJ said yesterday that the D is ahead of the O and that's how it should be right now. He also said we have no continuity on O and need to get a lot better very quickly. So the media guys are probably taking his less positive comments and adding a more negative spin.
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Yep and not mentioning the fact that the OL has been without Kendrick who just came back this week, Tatum/Smith just got back 2 days ago and weren't in the 11 on 11, also no Jashon. But that doesn't matter right? Lol
 
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Butch desperately needs some tangible success here that doesn't involve arbitrary cut-off dates for establishing win streaks or favorable W/L records.
 
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Aesius said:
They are dying for Butch to get fired. Then they'll be head cheerleaders for the next guy until he loses to Florida, at which point they will viciously turn on him and continue to hate him until the cycle repeats.
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I don't think it's a given they will cheerlead the next guy. They probably have one or two guys in mind they are convinced are chomping at the bit to coach tennessee (Chip Kelly? Gruden?). If we fired Butch and don't land one of those two (extremely unlikely we would) they will continue in their misery and trash the next guy.

I'll never understand. Most of us wait all offseason for the joy of watching our team. But some of us wait for the joy of watching our team lose just so they can get on social media and tell us all "Told ya so!"

Waste of time.
 
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Aesius said:
Butch desperately needs some tangible success here that doesn't involve arbitrary cut-off dates for establishing win streaks or favorable W/L records.
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Agree. There were some good wins within those dates that are worth bragging on.
 
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