Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

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I think either defensive or offensive minds can work as head coaches. But it does seem like you need to be at least one or the other. The cheerleader/CEO approach doesn't seem that fruitful now.
 
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AAVFL said:
I am personally tired of hiring these "offensive" minded coaches. If you look at the ones who are consistently top 10 most take a defensive minded approach or background and they excel in recruiting. If the time comes I like Venables and or Wilcox maybe Arranda. I think if you can make your defense the key while hiring a great offensive staff chances will have a better team.

Too many times we have tried Kiffen, Dooley, Butch that have backgrounds in offense and what you find out is defense wins championships.
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Dabo, Meyer, Franklin, Fisher, Harbaugh, etc? Believe it or not, DC who have no coaching experience typically don't do great as Hc's in the SEC.
 
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I'm wayyyy behind on this thread but frankly like many I've been sickened by what I saw against UF. Here's what I don't get: 1. Why the eff did Kelly get no touches in the redzone? 2. Why the eff does Dormady pull the ball and try to throw like he's Manning/Brady all rolled into one? WE ARE A RUNNING TEAM. AND UF's only strength was defending the pass.

Dormady disappointed badly. If JG will run more and hand off more it's JG time. We have a great RB corps - that's clear - so stop worrying about Kelly and/or mistakes by others. Ride the RB corps. They are good enough.

ETA: One other thing... why the hell aren't we running behind Smith more? He blows up his man almost every time.
 
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jave36 said:
No clue. Apparently the prevailing opinion is that they don't usually make good HC or there'd be more. Or maybe they get fired so fast their proportion stays low :)
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Yeah. OCs seem to have better success rates. But again, I think it's worth watching how Mason, Muschamp, and Smart do this year. Hell, even Mark Stoops.
 
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Aesius said:
Yeah. OCs seem to have better success rates. But again, I think it's worth watching how Mason, Muschamp, and Smart do this year. Hell, even Mark Stoops.
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Whittingham is another who's had sustained success at a smaller program. They're out there, but certainly not enough to say "let's avoid offensive minded coaches next hire."
 
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SSVol said:
I wonder if Butch's style of aggressive football pre-disposes players to injury. Not suggesting that it is any more aggressive than others, just taught in a different way. There are certainly tackling techniques that can cause the tackler to sustain injuries, maybe that has a broader application to how they train players to move or attack.
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Lol. You trying to blame Butch for injuries. Unreal
 
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LA Vol said:
Mean tweets... "Fire Butch" on the rock... student walkouts... donors sending voided checks. Soon there'll be a petition, if there's not one already. A lot of pissed off people feel they aren't being heard.

Guess apathy hasn't set in yet, after all.
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Please no petition please not that again
 
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mccrackb said:
Lol. You trying to blame Butch for injuries. Unreal
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It's possible there's a diet or training routine reason. I don't think we can say it's Butch's fault at this point, but these season ending injury levels are definitely an anomaly.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
regarding Dormady:

we are only a John Kelly drop on the goal line from QD overcoming poor play calling, and some inexperienced mistakes, to orchestrating a double-digit fourth quarter comeback win in the Swamp.
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Only 3 Dormady interceptions from not having to overcome a double digit 4th quarter lead.
 
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therickbol said:
LMAO! It's f-o-o-t-b-a-l-l......

You really think we are doing things as a coaching staff that is causing/facilitating injuries? Idiot!
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There are countless reasons other than chance that could be contributing to injuries. Every other team is playing f-o-o-t-b-a-l-l without so many season ending injuries the last couple years. I'm not blaming anyone right now, but saying all injuries are always the result of pure chance is poor logic.
 
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Listening to Memphis sports radio today, a reporter for Athlon said there was no way Chip Kelly would coach in SEC. He said it is easier to win in other conferences and he would not have to deal with unreasonable boosters and fan bases.

In his opinion, many coaches feel the same way about coaching in SEC. With salaries in other conferences on the rise, top quality coaches do not view the SEC as the only road to a big payday. With the big plus being less pressure from boosters and fan bases.
 
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Ace said:
Listening to Memphis sports radio today, a reporter for Athlon said there was no way Chip Kelly would coach in SEC. He said it is easier to win in other conferences and he would not have to deal with unreasonable boosters and fan bases.

In his opinion, many coaches feel the same way about coaching in SEC. With salaries in other conferences on the rise, top quality coaches do not view the SEC as the only road to a big payday. With the big plus being less pressure from boosters and fan bases.
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And what they won't admit is that no one wants to play Saban every year, twice or even three times a year in our best/worst case.
 
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I wonder if Butch would've taken this job back in 2012 if he knew how crazy our fan base/expectations are. Not to say they aren't warranted, but I think if he could see the amount of stress and pressure he would have 5 years later, he may have held out for a position elsewhere with lower expectations.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
I wonder if Butch would've taken this job back in 2012 if he knew how crazy our fan base/expectations are. Not to say they aren't warranted, but I think if he could see the amount of stress and pressure he would have 5 years later, he may have held out for a position elsewhere with lower expectations.
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Winning games where you have more talent and splitting the equal ones is the expectation anywhere.
 
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Ace said:
Listening to Memphis sports radio today, a reporter for Athlon said there was no way Chip Kelly would coach in SEC. He said it is easier to win in other conferences and he would not have to deal with unreasonable boosters and fan bases.

In his opinion, many coaches feel the same way about coaching in SEC. With salaries in other conferences on the rise, top quality coaches do not view the SEC as the only road to a big payday. With the big plus being less pressure from boosters and fan bases.
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The easiest road does seem to be taking a top P5 job in a lesser conference, recruiting top 10-15 every year, and only having to get your guys ready for 2-3 "big" games per year.

But Saban's coaching drain on the SEC will ultimately make it a desirable conference again. He only has so many years left and then Bama will be a much more manageable opponent. In the meantime, the coaching quality in the SEC is back to mid-90s level, perhaps worse. At least back then there were two dominant guys in Spurrier and Fulmer with Stallings in the twilight of his career. Now there's just one.
 
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jave36 said:
I think almost every top coach is an O guy.
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Botched that one. I assumed Swinney, Fisher, Harbaugh, and Franklin came from the defensive side. My bad. Even still their defenses are whats made them tops year in year out. Harbaugh with Stanford, Swinney last year and this year his D is playing lights out and Franklin's D has always been his strong suit even when at Vandy and now his offense is coming along.

It just seems since Kiffin we have tried the offensive coach route and they forget that the defense is where you're going to win or lose your games. If it is another offensive guy I just hope they turn their focus to the defense. Its been a long time since they were a top 10 defense and it would be nice to see them great again.
 
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jave36 said:
And what they won't admit is that no one wants to play Saban every year, twice in our best/worst case.
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He mentioned that as being a factor also. On the the broadcast it was also brought up that some coaches to not want to cheat at the level that is required in the SEC. The Athlon guy did not say that and I am not sure who brought it up.
 
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