Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[The Breakerboy]

JAV has said the same thing. Also anybody who watched the ISU game could tell he's not ready.

So the starter is ready is what you all are saying?

 

[Go Fight Win]

Bet you can find thousands of those from lsu fans before last Saturday.

2016 Vols lol

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

So the starter is ready is what you all are saying?

This is what I keep coming back to in this whole debate.

I do think Dormady probably has a better grasp of the playboook, command of the offense, etc. But it's not like he's doing much with that.


It's hard for me to imagine JG doing much worse than 21/39 1 TD 3 INTs 259 yards against UF (especially when you account for the fact that 8 completions and 127 of those yards were passed to JK and Chandler).

QD's upside is rooted in him being able to manage the game and avoid costly mistakes. But if he can't avoid the mistakes, what exactly is his upside?

Coaches need to get JG a lot of snaps this week and try to bring him along as quickly as they can, IMO. The offense may still be QD's, but we're gonna have to call JG's number at some point this season. I'm not sure QD has the pocket awareness to keep himself healthy and I'm also not sure that Butch won't make a QB change at some point if QD continues to play loose with the ball.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

So the starter is ready is what you all are saying?

It's not either or, for me.

Based on everyone who has seen them practice and play in a game, JG is not ready yet.

On the flip side, QD has deficiencies that aren't really being corrected.

Could be wrong, but I think JG against Florida would have been a worse performance that QD

JMO

 

[seaofORANGE22]

Before the season started, I proposed we put a sticky at the top of the recruiting forum that made clear what the preseason expectations were. I think it was near unanimous in the media that we were an 8-4 type team. I had a feeling as the 8-4 season actually played out, our fans would start revising up the expectations to say we were supposed to be better. Reality is, most people thought we'd be pretty bad this year.

Your last sentence is a huge problem when we're in year 5

 

[Smokey123]

I just wanna win. I don't care if that means putting Fils-Ailme, Chandler and Kelly on the field and running options all game. We've seen what QD can do, and based on what we've seen from a pretty large sample size, he's not the guy to win big games for us imo. We know JG is better fit for this offense, and we've seen in limited action he has a nice deep ball. Is he ready for prime time? Who knows, we heard Bituli wasn't we heard DKj wasn't, we heard Dobbs wasn't, etc. This is the same staff who barely ran Kamara at all in big games, why do people all of sudden trust them with making proper personnel decisions?

And guess what, the same media who says JG isn't ready, is the same media who said QD was gonna light it up, was the same media who said Kongbo was the next John Henderson.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I just wanna win. I don't care if that means putting Fils-Ailme, Chandler and Kelly on the field and running options all game. We've seen what QD can do, and based on what we've seen from a pretty large sample size, he's not the guy to win big games for us imo. We know JG is better fit for this offense, and we've seen in limited action he has a nice deep ball. Is he ready for prime time? Who knows, we heard Bituli wasn't we heard DKj wasn't, we heard Dobbs wasn't, etc. This is the same staff who barely ran Kamara at all in big games, why do people all of sudden trust them with making proper personnel decisions?

And guess what, the same media who says JG isn't ready, is the same media who said QD was gonna light it up, was the same media who said Kongbo was the next John Henderson.

Also, doesn't anybody remember what we heard from the media leading up to Worley's injury in 2014 about Dobbs? They all talked about how he wasn't ready, he was bouncing stray passes all over the field in practice, he turned the ball over too much, was 4th on the depth chart in the spring, etc.


I totally get the arguments for not starting JG and going for the experienced guy. But "media reports say he isn't ready" just doesn't do it for me. Unless QD turns a corner against UGA, I'm not convinced JG doesn't get a shot at some point. He's still just one snap away in theory. If he gets a chance to run the offense for more than 4 series in a game, I could see him having some success.

I kinda think he'll always be a guy who maybe takes chances with the ball and gets burned for it at times. That's a reason I can see for going with QD as the steadier option. But 5 turnovers in the past two games is hardly steady and he hasn't really had many splash plays to offset those either.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Also, doesn't anybody remember what we heard from the media leading up to Worley's injury in 2014 about Dobbs? They all talked about how he wasn't ready, he was bouncing stray passes all over the field in practice, he turned the ball over too much, was 4th on the depth chart in the spring, etc.


I totally get the arguments for not starting JG and going for the experienced guy. But "media reports say he isn't ready" just doesn't do it for me. Unless QD turns a corner against UGA, I'm not convinced JG doesn't get a shot at some point. He's still just one snap away in theory. If he gets a chance to run the offense for more than 4 series in a game, I could see him having some success.

I kinda think he'll always be a guy who maybe takes chances with the ball and gets burned for it at times. That's a reason I can see for going with QD as the steadier option. But 5 turnovers in the past two games is hardly steady and he hasn't really had many splash plays to offset those either.

Jamal Lewis wasn't ready either.

 

[BigZiti09]

Robert Gillespie is the ****** man.

Fans act like Gillespie makes these running backs. Running back coaching is 98% recruiting and about 2% development. Gillespie is a valuable coach. No doubt. But its all about getting good backs on campus.

 

[BigZiti09]

This is a lazy response, ziti.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www....zahn-matters-and-doesnt-at-the-same-time/amp/


If you don't wanna read it: Auburn gave Malzahn one extra year on his contract in summer 2016 and a slight raise on the front end of the contract (with a proportional lowering of salary on the backend). His buyout numbers were kept the same, albeit with an extra year worth of the yearly sum he'd be owed if fired.

What makes that extra year significant is that it makes Malzahn's buyout $2,237,500 bigger should Auburn choose to part ways with the coach whose seat has figured to be a bit warmer coming into 2016 after a 7-6 season in 2015.

From the article. Buyout got larger.

They also upped his salary on the front end.

This is why I asked for a link. I knew you were wrong.

No agent worth his salt is gonna agree to an extension that doesn't increase the buyout. Butch Jones will get an extension, a new job or a buyout this winter.

 

[jordan4vols]

In reading LWS posts I get the feeling that Butch is leaving no matter what. He has stated that a loss to Kentucky or Vandy and he's gone. If he didn't get an extension after 8-4 last year he's not getting one after 8-4 this year. Then someone asked what if he finishes 10-2 with a loss to Bama and he responded that he thinks that record would get him another job. I think he wants out and I think UT wants him out but we're just gonna have to wait till the end of the year

 

[jordan4vols]

So the starter is ready is what you all are saying?

The starter is clearly more capable at this point than JG. Key words being at this point. I think JG is the better QB in the long run

 

[SamRebel35]

In reading LWS posts I get the feeling that Butch is leaving no matter what. He has stated that a loss to Kentucky or Vandy and he's gone. If he didn't get an extension after 8-4 last year he's not getting one after 8-4 this year. Then someone asked what if he finishes 10-2 with a loss to Bama and he responded that he thinks that record would get him another job. I think he wants out and I think UT wants him out but we're just gonna have to wait till the end of the year

I would be happy with either of these scenarios as long as players and current commitments don't all try to jump ship.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

This whole conversation is just premature and boring. Let's play out some more games. Don't give up on 2017.

Let's crush Umass, and see what happens in Athens and Lexington over the weekend.

Still a lot of ball to be played.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I would be happy with either of these scenarios as long as players and current commitments don't all try to jump ship.

That will depend on who you bring in. Bring in another no-name and you likely see mass transfers and the recruiting class falling apart. I don't think he's going anywhere though.

 

[InVOLuntary]

This whole conversation is just premature and boring. Let's play out some more games. Don't give up on 2017.

Let's crush Umass, and see what happens in Athens and Lexington over the weekend.

Still a lot of ball to be played.

GA hammers MS State at home. Ky stands a good shot at beating the gators.

 

[BigZiti09]

That will depend on who you bring in. Bring in another no-name and you likely see mass transfers and the recruiting class falling apart. I don't think he's going anywhere though.

You mean like when we brought in Butch Jones and he kept the class together and didn't lose a bunch of kids to transfer?

 

[InVOLuntary]

You mean like when we brought in Butch Jones and he kept the class together and didn't lose a bunch of kids to transfer?

Yea, that last Dooley class had all those 5 stars. Also, the current kids on the roster weren't that hot of commodities either. Not to mention most of the talent left early for the draft.

 

[AAVFL]

GA hammers MS State at home. Ky stands a good shot at beating the gators.

I don't know I think Mullen will have a good game plan for UGAs D and if they can rattle the freshman it will be an interesting game. LSUs defense I believe is much better than Georgia's and look what he did to them. And LSU offense is similar to what Georgia runs.

 

[Kingston Vol]

In reading LWS posts I get the feeling that Butch is leaving no matter what. He has stated that a loss to Kentucky or Vandy and he's gone. If he didn't get an extension after 8-4 last year he's not getting one after 8-4 this year. Then someone asked what if he finishes 10-2 with a loss to Bama and he responded that he thinks that record would get him another job. I think he wants out and I think UT wants him out but we're just gonna have to wait till the end of the year

LWS said last season Butch was working backchannels last year and had a job lined up until we lost to Vanderbilt and his stock fell through the floor. Something tells me it was Notre Dame.

 

[BigZiti09]

Yea, that last Dooley class had all those 5 stars. Also, the current kids on the roster weren't that hot of commodities either. Not to mention most of the talent left early for the draft.

You're not gonna see mass transfers and a class crumble with a coaching hire.

Even Dooley kept most of what Kiffin had and added Justin Hunter and Darick Rogers.

 

[The Breakerboy]

The starter is clearly more capable at this point than JG. Key words being at this point. I think JG is the better QB in the long run

The starter is checking to fades on the goalline like he's Peyton Manning. He's throwing off his backfoot at any sign of pressure. That's the only thing clear about him. He's not a good QB and looks no where near ready to lead a team to victory on a weekly basis.

 

[VolinArizona]

You're not gonna see mass transfers and a class crumble with a coaching hire.

Even Dooley kept most of what Kiffin had and added Justin Hunter and Darick Rogers.

It always depends on the hire and how good that coach is at selling the vision to new players.

If we hired a David Shaw (not an option), then JG is gone due to the offensive system, for example.

 

[jave36]

Jamal Lewis wasn't ready either.

DK, Berry, Hall weren't ready either

 

[InVOLuntary]

You're not gonna see mass transfers and a class crumble with a coaching hire.

Even Dooley kept most of what Kiffin had and added Justin Hunter and Darick Rogers.

It absolutely will depend on the hire. Also, many of Kiffen's recruits were EEs so that was big reason. Much of it depends on the hire. Also, TN was still fairly well thought of then. We are starting to develope a not so good reputation, a pattern is developing.