Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[RikidyBones]

What happened with big Al and Brittany? Someone give me the cliff notes

Those two must be fun to be around but Al accuses her of abuse verbally and physically

 

[volfanCLT]

I heard there was a hand signal that fans give to coaches when they lose to FL on the last play of the game 2 out of 3 years.

 

[LaagerVol]

You are correct on the 1st down. I watched on YouTube again at lunch and fast forwarded to that series, so my bad. But again, UF had the box stacked and UT had one on one matchups on the outside. I have no problem attempting to exploit those type of matchups with a WR like Call away, but it did not look like he ran a particularly good route.



The pass was to an open receiver.



I am a run first advocate but running from inside the 10 is just not the same as running between the 20s. And yes, I agree, you would like to run some clock while you score a TD, but the key is scoring the TD, so when you see that UF is giving you a gaping hole in the middle of the secondary you throw the ball and trust your defense to win the game. D had played well and there was not going to be much more than a minute left on the clock. And unless UT had missed the EP, a FG wouldn't do UF any good.




My comment was a joke. I did not think you were condemning the passing game altogether. This is just a football discussion between 2 Vol fans. I respect your opinion, I just happen to disagree. You Moran.

I just think we need to always run, from the 6 inch line, in a close game. We need to either be under center (preferably) or in a wildcat if we don't have a running QB. If they feel like they MUST pass in that situation it needs to be PA.

And yes Callaway was open in the pick 6, but it's a 6-3 game and your QB has been shaky. You just don't risk it in that situation. That's why I said they need to realize the situation. There is a time to be wide open and aggressive, and that time isn't backed up inside your own 10, on third down, when your D has them stonewalled.

I guess you could run PA or pass a couple times first and goal inside the 10, but you can't throw it 7 out of 7 times, when you're at the 6 inch line, or when you need to run clock. Ok, pass to JK wasn't t successful, next play wasn't 9 in the box, go back to the run. Then maybe throw on third. We only ran 12 seconds off the clock after we got first and goal on our last drive.

Apologize for thinking you were serious when you said I wanted to take the pass out of the playbook lol.

I will agree that the players left a lot of plays on the field, but coaches have to be smarter.

 

[Catbone]

Yep

One team

Come to think of it... Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are the only teams that look unstoppable right now. No one else has blown me away.

Of course it is only week 3

 

[LaagerVol]

That was one example. On the next read looking play, you could see the DE and LB hesitate. It's not about gaining yards, it's about making them guess. Kelly started really torching them after the qb keeps by QD.

Completely agree on short yardage. But even if we stay in shotgun, we need a goal like package.

YES. Be creative! It isn't that hard to have a jumbo goal line package! So many things you can do besides run your standard offense. They act like if we don't run our normal offense in every situation the world will end. And it's been the same through three OCs. Play calling is a little varied but everything else looks the same. We know what the common denominator is.

LET your coordinators COACH.

Edit* except when they want to pass on 1st n goal. Then make them run the dang ball.

 

[volatil]

Come to think of it... Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are the only teams that look unstoppable right now. No one else has blown me away.

Of course it is only week 3

USC pretty good

 

[Catbone]

FF says it's be about 25 million to replace the entire football staff. For reference, we made 80 million profit last year (one of if not the best in country)

 

[Nash_Vol97]

YES. Be creative! It isn't that hard to have a jumbo goal line package! So many things you can do besides run your standard offense. They act like if we don't run our normal offense in every situation the world will end. And it's been the same through three OCs. Play calling is a little varied but everything else looks the same. We know what the common denominator is.

LET your coordinators COACH.

Edit* except when they want to pass on 1st n goal. Then make them run the dang ball.

That's because Butch Jones scheme is infallible..

 

[Catbone]

USC pretty good

Think Texas was a fluke?

 

[BigZiti09]

FF says it's be about 25 million to replace the entire football staff. For reference, we made 80 million profit last year (one of if not the best in country)

It's not $25 million. Not even close. What Jimmy put out today is what is known as a sharticle.

 

[jave36]

Nah man don't you know if your offense sucks it's impossible for your defense to be great?!

Ahhhh, there's the passive aggressive childishness.

 

[volfanCLT]

Think Texas was a fluke?

Nah, Texas is back. Haven’t you heard?

 

[AAVFL]

It's not $25 million. Not even close. What Jimmy put out today is what is known as a sharticle.

What you got it as? I was thinking around 15-20 million cause most if not all of the staff would find other employment reducing their buyouts. Plus it would depend on how much we are willing to spend for a coach and if they're currently employed or not.

 

[zhangliao04]

I can't believe that you all have talked about this coaching search subject so hard these past 4 days and NOT ONCE has anybody talked about tracking planes. Y'all are losing your touch.

 

[jave36]

I can't believe that you all have talked about this coaching search subject so hard these past 4 days and NOT ONCE has anybody talked about tracking planes. Y'all are losing your touch.

Too early for that noobie

 

[Vol@PennState]

I just think we need to always run, from the 6 inch line, in a close game. We need to either be under center (preferably) or in a wildcat if we don't have a running QB. If they feel like they MUST pass in that situation it needs to be PA.

And yes Callaway was open in the pick 6, but it's a 6-3 game and your QB has been shaky. You just don't risk it in that situation. That's why I said they need to realize the situation. There is a time to be wide open and aggressive, and that time isn't backed up inside your own 10, on third down, when your D has them stonewalled.

I guess you could run PA or pass a couple times first and goal inside the 10, but you can't throw it 7 out of 7 times, when you're at the 6 inch line, or when you need to run clock. Ok, pass to JK wasn't t successful, next play wasn't 9 in the box, go back to the run. Then maybe throw on third. We only ran 12 seconds off the clock after we got first and goal on our last drive.

Apologize for thinking you were serious when you said I wanted to take the pass out of the playbook lol.

I will agree that the players left a lot of plays on the field, but coaches have to be smarter.

I agree that in total the number of passes vs. runs inside the 10 seems like terrible coaching. But don't you feel that a lot of the coaching decisions that seem ridiculous were actually caused by execution issues?

We get first and goal from the 9 at the end. Scott has a play in his pocket he knows will work. JK against a linebacker, and he's been abusing them. They get exactly what they want, and it should be a walk in touchdown. But the execution fails, and now you have 2nd and goal from the 9. We run another good play on 2nd down that we'd expect Callaway to come down with 8 times out of 10. Through his hands. 3rd down we have to go for the TD.

I guarantee you that if we run twice after 1st down like all the hindsight prophets want and get stuffed, then lose in OT, all the critics would be saying, "Same old conservative Butch cost us another game! No guts! You gotta go for the win there!"

Same thing happened on the earlier goal line failure. 1st and goal at the 1, and Jack Jones flinches early. Then Dormady hits Palmer in the hands and he drops it. Now it's 2nd and goal from the 6. Maybe we should've run it here, but again it's execution. You've got single coverage in the slot and Palmer HAS to get inside. It's execution.

Execution issues on actually decent early-down play calls are what necessitated the frustrating lack of JK runs in the red zone.

Also think about this: 3 drops cost us 18 points :sick: (pick 6, Palmer drop followed by pick, JK drop followed by FG)

 

[BigZiti09]

What you got it as? I was thinking around 15-20 million cause most if not all of the staff would find other employment reducing their buyouts. Plus it would depend on how much we are willing to spend for a coach and if they're currently employed or not.

CBJ $5

I'm not sure when all the other coaches contracts are up but can't possibly be looking at more than a couple million. That's worst case.

If you buy out a sitting head coach then max for that is a few million. Which we are probably not gonna buy out a name coach so that number is likely lower.

Worst case $10 million. Could honestly be closer to $5 million though.

 

[zhangliao04]

Too early for that noobie

Never. Stop with your heresy!

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I agree that in total the number of passes vs. runs inside the 10 seems like terrible coaching. But don't you feel that a lot of the coaching decisions that seem ridiculous were actually caused by execution issues?

We get first and goal from the 9 at the end. Scott has a play in his pocket he knows will work. JK against a linebacker, and he's been abusing them. They get exactly what they want, and it should be a walk in touchdown. But the execution fails, and now you have 2nd and goal from the 9. We run another good play on 2nd down that we'd expect Callaway to come down with 8 times out of 10. Through his hands. 3rd down we have to go for the TD.

I guarantee you that if we run twice after 1st down like all the hindsight prophets want and get stuffed, then lose in OT, all the critics would be saying, "Same old conservative Butch cost us another game! No guts! You gotta go for the win there!"

Same thing happened on the earlier goal line failure. 1st and goal at the 1, and Jack Jones flinches early. Then Dormady hits Palmer in the hands and he drops it. Now it's 2nd and goal from the 6. Maybe we should've run it here, but again it's execution. You've got single coverage in the slot and Palmer HAS to get inside. It's execution.

Execution issues on actually decent early-down play calls are what necessitated the frustrating lack of JK runs in the red zone.

Also think about this: 3 drops cost us 18 points :sick: (pick 6, Palmer drop followed by pick, JK drop followed by FG)

First SEC road game for QD and a lot of the receivers and they had execution problems all throughout camp supposedly and so far this year. I am ok with taking a shot, but 7 times out 7 inside their 10 yard line we go with the unit that has been most inconsistent so far this year? Just doesn't seem like good coaching, IMO.

 

[BruinVol]

I agree that in total the number of passes vs. runs inside the 10 seems like terrible coaching. But don't you feel that a lot of the coaching decisions that seem ridiculous were actually caused by execution issues?

We get first and goal from the 9 at the end. Scott has a play in his pocket he knows will work. JK against a linebacker, and he's been abusing them. They get exactly what they want, and it should be a walk in touchdown. But the execution fails, and now you have 2nd and goal from the 9. We run another good play on 2nd down that we'd expect Callaway to come down with 8 times out of 10. Through his hands. 3rd down we have to go for the TD.

I guarantee you that if we run twice after 1st down like all the hindsight prophets want and get stuffed, then lose in OT, all the critics would be saying, "Same old conservative Butch cost us another game! No guts! You gotta go for the win there!"

Same thing happened on the earlier goal line failure. 1st and goal at the 1, and Jack Jones flinches early. Then Dormady hits Palmer in the hands and he drops it. Now it's 2nd and goal from the 6. Maybe we should've run it here, but again it's execution. You've got single coverage in the slot and Palmer HAS to get inside. It's execution.

Execution issues on actually decent early-down play calls are what necessitated the frustrating lack of JK runs in the red zone.

Also think about this: 3 drops cost us 18 points :sick: (pick 6, Palmer drop followed by pick, JK drop followed by FG)

Great post. Voice of reason

 

[LaagerVol]

I agree that in total the number of passes vs. runs inside the 10 seems like terrible coaching. But don't you feel that a lot of the coaching decisions that seem ridiculous were actually caused by execution issues?

We get first and goal from the 9 at the end. Scott has a play in his pocket he knows will work. JK against a linebacker, and he's been abusing them. They get exactly what they want, and it should be a walk in touchdown. But the execution fails, and now you have 2nd and goal from the 9. We run another good play on 2nd down that we'd expect Callaway to come down with 8 times out of 10. Through his hands. 3rd down we have to go for the TD.

I guarantee you that if we run twice after 1st down like all the hindsight prophets want and get stuffed, then lose in OT, all the critics would be saying, "Same old conservative Butch cost us another game! No guts! You gotta go for the win there!"

Same thing happened on the earlier goal line failure. 1st and goal at the 1, and Jack Jones flinches early. Then Dormady hits Palmer in the hands and he drops it. Now it's 2nd and goal from the 6. Maybe we should've run it here, but again it's execution. You've got single coverage in the slot and Palmer HAS to get inside. It's execution.

Execution issues on actually decent early-down play calls are what necessitated the frustrating lack of JK runs in the red zone.

Also think about this: 3 drops cost us 18 points :sick: (pick 6, Palmer drop followed by pick, JK drop followed by FG)

Pick 6 wasn't a drop. It was a bad throw caused at least partially by the QB being hit, that could have been caught but would've been a great catch.

Would you rather:

A. Put the game in a shaky QB and freshman WR hands?

Or

B. Put the game in the hands of your stud RB who has been crushing the soul of the D?

The pass plays MAY have been good calls if we have Montana and Rice, but we had a QB in his third start and inexperienced WRs

Those are factors that have to be accounted for. As well as clock management, knowing that our D is stuffing them.

The pick in goal to go and the pick 6 changed the whole game. It isn't a good play call if you don't have the right players to execute.

Put. The. Ball. In. John. Freaking. Kelly's. Hands.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Great post. Voice of reason

Only have rewatched the first half so far. Pretty alarming how when you look back at the bad passes how it was usually wrong route where nobody was there or too many were in area than should have been had they not run into same spacing.

Majority of problems are At WR but QD probably could have hit a TD to Palmer toward end of half if he steps into throw instead of backfoot. Palmer was beginning to gain a step but was thrown short forcing him to stop to jump over defender

He also rushed a screen that Callaway might have housed with more patience. If smith runs right route he might have had a td in first half as well or close

 

[BruinVol]

Put. The. Ball. In. John. Freaking. Kelly's. Hands.

Lol. Exactly what Scott did that you are complaining about and those hands dropped the game winner.

 

[BruinVol]

Only have rewatched the first half so far. Pretty alarming how when you look back at the bad passes how it was usually wrong route where nobody was there or too many were in area than should have been had they not run into same spacing.

Majority of problems are At WR but QD probably could have hit a TD to Palmer toward end of half if he steps into throw instead of backfoot. Palmer was beginning to gain a step but was thrown short forcing him to stop to jump over defender

He also rushed a screen that Callaway might have housed with more patience. If smith runs right route he might have had a td in first half as well or close

I have wanted to know what went wrong on the trick play all week. QD or JS screwed it up?

 

[Crazy Ivan]

I will agree that the players left a lot of plays on the field, but coaches have to be smarter.

True.