Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[butchna]

Let's make this clear. I ain't never ever never ever never ever going to get to a point where I don't post opinions on this board.

That clear?

Clear as a farewell letter.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Context of what has been said and seen in public.

So seeing JG sitting by himself on the bench constitutes Butch lied to him?

I saw JG standing with a group of his teammates who were celebrating after the UT TD in the 1st OT, so that tells me he was not disconnected from the team.

And pretty much all that has "been said" was said by announcers, nega-journalists like Dave Hooker, and VN worry warts, so I am going to hold off on gnashing my teeth until I actually hear Butch of JG announcing he is transferring.

 

[BruinVol]

Clear as a farewell letter.

Full circle

 

[BruinVol]

So seeing JG sitting by himself on the bench constitutes Butch lied to him?

I saw JG standing with a group of his teammates who were celebrating after the UT TD in the 1st OT, so that tells me he was not disconnected from the team.

And pretty much all that has "been said" was said by announcers, nega-journalists like Dave Hooker, and VN worry warts, so I am going to hold off on gnashing my teeth until I actually hear Butch of JG announcing he is transferring.

No his actions Monday have very little to do with my opinion.

Not naming a Starter played games with both QBs imo. People want to look for reasons QD wasn't sharp early well it could have been nerves like many here have suggested or he could have been pressing knowing
JG was coming in any series like his coach had told the world. Plenty of reasons he should have named QD the starter and said it was his job until further notice. Still hasn't done that

 

[butchna]

Those schools have QBs leave as well. It's the one position where I excuse a kid not having patience.

And a lot stay. I'm sure their fan bases have their Bruins harping on broken promises too...like Darnold at USC last season. Guess he's glad he didn't Bruin out of there when Max Browne initially won the starting job (Browne's at Pitt now fwiw). :shades:

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

So throw rocks at me when you did the same thing??

Perhaps you need to read the parable about Jesus telling the people without sin to cast the first stone. Drop that stone in shame Tony.

One thing: It wasn't a parable...

Okay, as you were

 

[butchna]

No his actions Monday have very little to do with my opinion.

Not naming a Starter played games with both QBs imo. People want to look for reasons QD wasn't sharp early well it could have been nerves like many here have suggested or he could have been pressing knowing
JG was coming in any series like his coach had told the world. Plenty of reasons he should have named QD the starter.

And plenty of reasons not to...guess Butch will just have to go with that. :dunno: Where does "the world" post info? Would like to read that statement from Butch. :question:

 

[BruinVol]

One thing: It wasn't a parable...

Okay, as you were

Lol. Touche

 

[buckfama]

So seeing JG sitting by himself on the bench constitutes Butch lied to him?

I saw JG standing with a group of his teammates who were celebrating after the UT TD in the 1st OT, so that tells me he was not disconnected from the team.

And pretty much all that has "been said" was said by announcers, nega-journalists like Dave Hooker, and VN worry warts, so I am going to hold off on gnashing my teeth until I actually hear Butch of JG announcing he is transferring.

I'm like you, I'll believe the transfer rumors when I see it

I do think there was something going on with him though. He should have been on the sideline watching where he could see the game and what GT was doing on D in case he had to go in.

I can't say what had him upset but something seemed to be stuck in his craw. He needed to shake it off and get his head in the game.

 

[BruinVol]

And plenty of reasons not to...guess Butch will just have to go with that. :dunno:

The best reason not is to mislead a kid making sure he doesn't bolt. Now we will see if he can manage that.

 

[SergeantVol]

Glitch, you been around the military ling enough to know that no matter the situation, what was promised his reaction to it was wrong.

What would you do if you had a soldier that acted that way?

Regardless of what he was promised, not promised, what his emotions we're he had a role to fill. And he didn't do it.. period.

No, it's not life or death but it does show his maturity and ability to lead.

What's his reaction going to be when he starts to have a bad game? Is he gonna fold and throw in the towel and sulk or is he going to shrug it off and keep his head in the game? QD didn't do everything right but he did keep his composure no matter how bad it seemed to be at the time.

I understand being competitive but until he proves to the coaches that he is the man then he ain't the man.

Maybe the coaches have seen more of this behavior than us and refuse to hand over the leadership role to him until he can get past it?

Glitch is an officer. His NCOs would have dealt with the Soldiers under him.

I have to babysit...er I mean develop young Soldiers all the time. I stress patience. Leadership and the accompanying benefits are something that's earned. When something like a promotion is promised, you lay the conditions out and frame the problem to include unforeseen circumstances. As far as something promised like days off or less work, you let them know the reality of the sitatuion and offer recompense. I think a fair recompense for JG is playing time against Indiana State. I'd tell him to ball out and show everyone why he should be the starter.

 

[butchna]

The best reason not is to mislead a kid making sure he doesn't bolt. Now we will see if he can manage that.

I say he didn't mislead him. Since we don't need facts.

 

[BruinVol]

I say he didn't mislead him. Since we don't need facts.

Ok. I respect that but disagree

 

[Kingston Vol]

I would hope that JG is intelligent enough to understand that if we had had not one, but two QBs going through first game jitters, not moving the ball, we would have lost the game probably 35-14.

On the outside looking in that may make sense. But in the moment as the backup guy who has been in a competition all summer, you'd think you could do some things the other guy couldn't. Sure you may think the guy was having some jitters - but I'd imagine it's more likely you'd think the other guy just flat out isn't as good as you and the team is suffering because the coaches don't see it.

Guarantano will be fine. We need to get him a ton of time this week because I will guarantee you we will need him to start at some point in this season.

 

[Ace]

There have been several articles suggesting players knew that QD was the starter as long as two weeks before GT. JG is a competitor and I am sure it is hard to sit on the bench. It is total speculation to say he is transferring or unhappy. If he is unhappy, then the best thing to do is to work hard and get ready for his opportunity.

 

[butchna]

Ok. I respect that but disagree

I agree.

 

[Vol464]

Uh, no I didn't. He hasn't transferred has he? I don't think that he will either.

If he transfers a couple weeks into his RS Freshman year, then yeah he doesn't have what it takes to be the leader of an SEC championship team.

But he hasn't transferred. And I don't think that he will.

Again, this whole thing is being made out to be a bigger deal than it is. Not surprising you are clinging to this topic. Gotta stop beating the carcass of Bob Shoop just long enough to do your favorite thing which is speculation/conjecture of a worst case scenario.

To be fair, you are giving him a big assist.

😲

 

[buckfama]

Glitch is an officer. His NCOs would have dealt with the Soldiers under him.

I have to babysit...er I mean develop young Soldiers all the time. I stress patience. Leadership and the accompanying benefits are something that's earned. When something like a promotion is promised, you lay the conditions out and frame the problem to include unforeseen circumstances. As far as something promised like days off or less work, you let them know the reality of the sitatuion and offer recompense. I think a fair recompense for JG is playing time against Indiana State. I'd tell him to ball out and show everyone why he should be the starter.

Glitch is an officer? That explains a lot lol.

I was an NCO so I understand what your saying. You mentor your soldiers. You find.out what their goals are, lay out a plan and work to achieve it.

But you know as well as I do that things change, especially in the military. You can't just sulk when things go south. You step back, evaluate the situation, choose a new path, and drive on. Sitting down and sulking or feeling sorry for yourself isn't an option. You are letting down more than just yourself, your letting your team down. We all have a role and until it changes we have an obligation to fulfill it to the best of our ability no matter what we were promised or the situation.

Handle your business in the now and go talk about it offline after the job is done. I had several talks with my platoon Sgt. offline in Iraq over how things were done and handled on missions and tasks. But while the mission was underway I followed orders and completed the mission and objectives I was given in the fashion I was expected to. I didnt sulk or complain in front of my soldiers. We just did it.

The *****ing and complainimg came afterwards offline to my platoon Sgt. and man did he catch an earful at times. 😀😀😀

 

[Glitch]

Glitch, you been around the military ling enough to know that no matter the situation, what was promised his reaction to it was wrong.

What would you do if you had a soldier that acted that way?

Regardless of what he was promised, not promised, what his emotions we're he had a role to fill. And he didn't do it.. period.

No, it's not life or death but it does show his maturity and ability to lead.

What's his reaction going to be when he starts to have a bad game? Is he gonna fold and throw in the towel and sulk or is he going to shrug it off and keep his head in the game? QD didn't do everything right but he did keep his composure no matter how bad it seemed to be at the time.

I understand being competitive but until he proves to the coaches that he is the man then he ain't the man.

Maybe the coaches have seen more of this behavior than us and refuse to hand over the leadership role to him until he can get past it?

Oh I've had to manage plenty of hurt feelings over the years. In my NCO days I would hand them a hurt feelings report, tell them to fill it out, and then use it as TP the next time I needed to drop a duece. As an officer and particularly as the commander of a unit, it is not that simple or hilariously fun. I never promised any of my Soldiers any specific job or role because I know that plans last about 5 secs after the mission starts.

My point was that we have zero actual information on what Butch and Scott told JG. We have zero real information on how JG felt or feels about the lack of playing time on Monday. All we have is the conjecture of the ESPN commentators, news media that love a juicy negative story, and the merciless beater of lifeless equine corpses (aka BruinVol) to go on and IMO that is pointless and dangerous because it could find it's way into the locker room and poison the team. The less we speculate the better.

 

[buckfama]

Glitch is an officer. His NCOs would have dealt with the Soldiers under him.

I have to babysit...er I mean develop young Soldiers all the time. I stress patience. Leadership and the accompanying benefits are something that's earned. When something like a promotion is promised, you lay the conditions out and frame the problem to include unforeseen circumstances. As far as something promised like days off or less work, you let them know the reality of the sitatuion and offer recompense. I think a fair recompense for JG is playing time against Indiana State. I'd tell him to ball out and show everyone why he should be the starter.

And I agree.. if the score and the game allows it he should get playing time.

But there should never be guarantees made. There should always be a "what if" clause and it should be understood by JG. He gets playing time if these game conditions are met.

What rank is Glitch?

 

[BruinVol]

All we have is the conjecture of the ESPN commentators, news media that love a juicy negative story, and the merciless beater of lifeless equine corpses (aka BruinVol) to go on .

Unless the post about JG retweeting/liking a tweet about him transferring were false then we have more than you say to go by.

Did that happen?

 

[BruinVol]

And I agree.. if the score and the game allows it he should get playing time.

But there should never be guarantees made. There should always be a "what if" clause and it should be understood by JG. He gets playing time if these game conditions are met.

Spot on. Yet he already has been publically promised playing time this week.

 

[buckfama]

Oh I've had to manage plenty of hurt feelings over the years. In my NCO days I would hand them a hurt feelings report, tell them to fill it out, and then use it as TP the next time I needed to drop a duece. As an officer and particularly as the commander of a unit, it is not that simple or hilariously fun. I never promised any of my Soldiers any specific job or role because I know that plans last about 5 secs after the mission starts.

My point was that we have zero actual information on what Butch and Scott told JG. We have zero real information on how JG felt or feels about the lack of playing time on Monday. All we have is the conjecture of the ESPN commentators, news media that love a juicy negative story, and the merciless beater of lifeless equine corpses (aka BruinVol) to go on and IMO that is pointless and dangerous because it could find it's way into the locker room and poison the team. The less we speculate the better.

Lol. Hurt feelings reports.. those were the days.. amirite?

I agree.. I just feel there was something going on there with him emotionally. He needed to be on the sideline soaking up what was going on with the game.

I have zero idea if he is even considering transferring, I just feel he needs to be acting more like a leader if he wants to be the leader. To me he wasn't. He may have not been disconnected from the team but he definitely was from the game at times.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Unless the post about JG retweeting/liking a tweet about him transferring were false then we have more than you say to go by.

Did that happen?

It happened I saw the tweet in my feed where he liked it. It was a funny tweet so he could have just liked it because it was clever but bad timing

 

[drvenner]

The best reason not is to mislead a kid making sure he doesn't bolt. Now we will see if he can manage that.

I will say this, based solely upon his demeanor that ESPN chose to show, and that is that JG perceived that he should be playing. That does not mean that Butch told him he would, but it is relatively clear that JG thought he should be in there. Now, most highly rated QBs believe that they are the best and that is the attitude you want in your QB, but I do suspect that something, someone said led him to believe that he was going to play. That may have been a misunderstanding on his part, but he perceived he was going to play.