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delfonic said:
I say the chances are highly unlikely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

Either we need to step out of the Syrian civil war and allow Assad to take back the country or we need to act decisively to remove him from power.
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Sometimes the ruthless dictator is better for overall regional stability. We messed with Egypt and Libya and opened the door for extremists to get a foothold. We took Sadam out in Iraq and again opened the door for extremists. Assad is a bad man and needs to be removed but not without a clear competent government to fill the void. ISIS is already establishing themselves there and we really don't need them expanding their influence. It's a very tenuous situation and really a darned if you do and darned if you don't situation. If we hadn't retaliated we would be seen as weak and lose more influence. If we do we are meddling in others' affairs. I wouldn't want to have to make those decisions.
 
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Glitch said:
Sometimes the ruthless dictator is better for overall regional stability. We messed with Egypt and Libya and opened the door for extremists to get a foothold. We took Sadam out in Iraq and again opened the door for extremists. Assad is a bad man and needs to be removed but not without a clear competent government to fill the void. ISIS is already establishing themselves there and we really don't need them expanding their influence. It's a very tenuous situation and really a darned if you do and darned if you don't situation. If we hadn't retaliated we would be seen as weak and lose more influence. If we do we are meddling in others' affairs. I wouldn't want to have to make those decisions.
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Retaliate against what? Americans were not gassed. We should just stay out of it if it doesnt effect us. That is not weakness that is pragmatic. Only reason we are bombing everything in sight is that Trump likes toys.
 
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bignewt said:
Retaliate against what? Americans were not gassed. We should just stay out of it if it doesnt effect us. That is not weakness that is pragmatic. Only reason we are bombing everything in sight is that Trump likes toys.
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Governments chose to stay out of it when Hitler was marching across Europe too. He didn't attack Americans but we eventually had to engage. I'm not saying Assad is Hitler but like it or not, the stability of the Middle East affects the entire world. If leaders there are gassing their people it will eventually affect us in one way or another.

Also, like it or not, most of the rest of the world takes their lead from us. Sometimes you have to take action because everyone knows what is happening is wrong but the alpha has to set the tone and example. I don't know what the right answer is. I don't want American Soldiers on the ground but we cannot simply isolate ourselves either. There has to be a middle ground.
 
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Glitch said:
Governments chose to stay out of it when Hitler was marching across Europe too. He didn't attack Americans but we eventually had to engage. I'm not saying Assad is Hitler but like it or not, the stability of the Middle East affects the entire world. If leaders there are gassing their people it will eventually affect us in one way or another.

Also, like it or not, most of the rest of the world takes their lead from us. Sometimes you have to take action because everyone knows what is happening is wrong but the alpha has to set the tone and example. I don't know what the right answer is. I don't want American Soldiers on the ground but we cannot simply isolate ourselves either. There has to be a middle ground.
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American isolationism has never worked out. WWI and WWII are both proof of that.

No one wants American sons and daughters going into combat, but the fact is...we either fight these battles now on their soil, or later on ours.
 
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BaldBiker said:
American isolationism has never worked out. WWI and WWII are both proof of that.

No one wants American sons and daughters going into combat, but the fact is...we either fight these battles now on their soil, or later on ours.
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Different time different world dynamic. The politics of the 1900s mo longer makes sense and the US being the worlds police has made us the enemy of many and cost countless lives.
 
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bignewt said:
Different time different world dynamic. The politics of the 1900s mo longer makes sense and the US being the worlds police has made us the enemy of many and cost countless lives.
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Wait for them to attack and we'll be safe? Gotcha! Pearl Harbor and 9-11 says hi. :wavey:
 
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bignewt said:
911 happened because of the policy you are supporting, think about that.
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No it did not. Where in the world did you ever get that idea?

As far as world politics goes, it is no different than it was in the 1900's. Nothing has changed...including people that believe the way you do. There were people that believed the exact same thing as you prior to 1914 and 1939. Had the United States not stepped in when we did in 1941 the world as we know it would not even exist...and we were dangerously close to being too late anyway. Germany and Japan had already laid out the plans for invading the U.S. and believe it or not...they were already in motion. Japan screwed it up by attacking the U.S. too early.
 
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bignewt said:
911 happened because of the policy you are supporting, think about that.
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911 happened because Radical Islamists believe if you're not Muslim, then you're an infidel and should die. The US is not the only place to experience cowardly terrorist attacks from these Radical Islamists.

The problems in Syria have become global problems...with all the refuges who have to be taken in, housed, and cared for. There is an affect to the US in what Assad is doing, and it's not a positive one.
 
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My oldest daughter set and landed a nice sized catfish in our neighborhood pond this afternoon.

Edit: the gravity is weird here in Indiana.
 

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utvolmaniac said:
911 happened because Radical Islamists believe if you're not Muslim, then you're an infidel and should die. The US is not the only place to experience cowardly terrorist attacks from these Radical Islamists.

The problems in Syria have become global problems...with all the refuges who have to be taken in, housed, and cared for. There is an affect to the US in what Assad is doing, and it's not a positive one.
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Why dont radicals go after Mexicans? Canadians? They are infidels too?
 
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bignewt said:
If you guys dont think our meddling in the middle east over the last 4 decades ultimately led to 911 im done.
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Have you got evidence to support this opinion? You act like it's a well-known fact, when it is anything but. Did our activity there contribute to it? I would say that is probable. However, we did not create the Islamic extremist groups who murder innocents and hide behind their martyrs like the cowards that they are.
 
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bignewt said:
Ok.
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I was just messing with you but the reason the radicals hate and want to attack American really boils down to one thing... We support Israel. We would have to totally abandon Israel and I'm not sure if that would help. Their goal is one world religion, Islam.

If was soley about our policies, why do they attack non American Christian institutions in other parts of the world, including in predominant Muslim countries?
 
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drvenner said:
Have you got evidence to support this opinion? You act like it's a well-known fact, when it is anything but. Did our activity there contribute to it? I would say that is probable. However, we did not create the Islamic extremist groups who murder innocents and hide behind their martyrs like the cowards that they are.
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Our actions have given them an enemy to hate, a rallying cry you cannot discount that. The US is the devil our bombs our troops, etc. They are raised to hate us. And our best are sent over there to die in a fight we cannot win. I worked close with the army during the conflict and saw first hand what the cost is. Its a travesty.
 
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