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Ron Swanson said:
That's exactly my point. We're wasting time arguing about a small problem.
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Go to any bad neighborhood and ask the guy/girl who looks like they haven't slept in a few days or showered in even longer, and ask them if they feel like what they shoot in their veins, smoke in their pipe or beg, borrow and steal to feed their addiction is a small problem. Making it legal isn't the answer, and especially making it available to the public.

Saying it's not as bad as alcohol doesn't make it any less lethal, damaging or toxic.

The last thing I want is for my children to consider taking a f'ing hypodermic needle and shooting H or meth just because it's legal.

And yeah, yeah, make good choices, raise them right, etc. I've seen good kids from great families make terrible decisions that not only ruin their life but destroy their parents, siblings, grandparents, etc.

There's nothing good that comes from it.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Sure, there might be less, but it doesn't eliminate it. But people who don't hold jobs have to find ways to get money.
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Might be less? The demand for illegal weed would be all but nonexistent. Dealing weed would no longer be economically viable for the large majority of dealers. I'm not even really sure how this is an argument.
 
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But maybe if we focused more on addiction counseling/rehab instead of throwing users in jail and making it virtually improbable if not impossible to return to being a productive member of society then they would never get to a point where they have to resort to crime.

Portugal has decriminalized personal drug use since 2001 and they haven't collapsed into a lawless society and their drug use has lowered and their drug induced death rate is 5 times lower the EU average
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Why don't you go interview a district attorney as I did? Why don't you talk to cops like I have? A huge percentage of crime is to get funds to buy drugs. Legalization will do nothing but increase demand. Most hard core drug addicts can't function enough in society to support their habit. How is making it easier to aquire drugs going to help reduce this crime?
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BJHSVol said:
But maybe if we focused more on addiction counseling/rehab instead of throwing users in jail and making it virtually improbable if not impossible to return to being a productive member of society then they would never get to a point where they have to resort to crime.

Portugal has decriminalized personal drug use since 2001 and they haven't collapsed into a lawless society and their drug use has lowered and their drug induced death rate is 5 times lower the EU average
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jjay2518 said:
Might be less? The demand for illegal weed would be all but nonexistent. Dealing weed would no longer be economically viable for the large majority of dealers. I'm not even really sure how this is an argument.
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That doesn't make it nonexistent. It also becomes an economic issue and not just a "buying marijuana" issue. Legalizing it won't eliminate it. Plus, non-working people have to find money to support buying it.

Look, I know everyone has a different opinion. You guys will claim that I don't support it because of what I do. That's part of it, but I just don't think legalizing it solves everything. People who don't work or care to work, or don't make enough, find ways to get money. It's usually illegally. Kind of interesting how this compares to the gun debate. But that's something for another day.

I am ready for football to spend more time discussing that.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So you think legalizing hard drugs is a good idea? You of all people I would think would be staunchly against it.

How many can function in society addicted to and use alcohol? How many can function on meth, heroin or other highly addictive drug? Anyone that advocates legalization of hard drugs is not thinking logically.
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Oh no..I absolutely do not. I am dead against the prohibition of marijuana, especially legitimate medical use.
 
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BJHSVol said:
But maybe if we focused more on addiction counseling/rehab instead of throwing users in jail and making it virtually improbable if not impossible to return to being a productive member of society then they would never get to a point where they have to resort to crime.

Portugal has decriminalized personal drug use since 2001 and they haven't collapsed into a lawless society and their drug use has lowered and their drug induced death rate is 5 times lower the EU average
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I've stated that changing the way we handle simple possession might be something worth looking into, but you need state and federal funding for drug rehabilitation programs to do so.

I'm all for being proactive instead reactivate but making all of it legal is akin to giving the keys to the Ferrari to the drunk at the end of the bar.
 
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VolGee4 said:
That doesn't make it nonexistent. It also becomes an economic issue and not just a "buying marijuana" issue. Legalizing it won't eliminate it. Plus, non-working people have to find money to support buying it.

Look, I know everyone has a different opinion. You guys will claim that I don't support it because of what I do. That's part of it, but I just don't think legalizing it solves everything. People who don't work or care to work, or don't make enough, find ways to get money. It's usually illegally. Kind of interesting how this compares to the gun debate. But that's something for another day.

I am ready for football to spend more time discussing that.
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Do you drink alchohol?
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Or up close and dead for days...and liquid instead of solid.
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Seen a few of them too.

People don't know what it requires of an ER staff when a cracked out meth head comes in spitting and fighting. It's a regular occurrence. It takes several people to hold said crack head down. Meanwhile sick people who didn't chose to be sick are waiting for care but all resources are busy getting abused.

The heiroin ODS are usually dead. Come to my ER one night and watch a devastated mom and dad grieve over their kid. No way that crap should be legal.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I've stated that changing the way we handle simple possession might be something worth looking into, but you need state and federal funding for drug rehabilitation programs to do so.

I'm all for being proactive instead reactivate but making all of it legal is akin to giving the keys to the Ferrari to the drunk at the end of the bar.
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We've spent Billions on the war on drugs so the money is there if we wanted to use it.

I'm not hardcore into actually legalizing everything, but if the only way to stop the war on drugs is decriminalizing personal use I could support that
 
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VolGee4 said:
That doesn't make it nonexistent. It also becomes an economic issue and not just a "buying marijuana" issue. Legalizing it won't eliminate it. Plus, non-working people have to find money to support buying it.

Look, I know everyone has a different opinion. You guys will claim that I don't support it because of what I do. That's part of it, but I just don't think legalizing it solves everything. People who don't work or care to work, or don't make enough, find ways to get money. It's usually illegally. Kind of interesting how this compares to the gun debate. But that's something for another day.

I am ready for football to spend more time discussing that.
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All of that still adds up to a small fraction of the current weed arrests and saved taxpayer money. Basically it sounds like your argument is that since legalizing weed won't eliminate all crime we shouldn't do it.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Do you drink alchohol?
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I do. I have gotten into craft beer. I could probably stop drinking alcohol whenever I wanted to. I actually don't have a problem with marijuana being legal for medicinal purposes.

To be honest, I am not totally against legalizing it altogether for personal use. But you just can't simply say that crime will go down and save taxpayers a bunch of money. Humans break the law regardless of the rules. Legalizing it would just pose different issues.
 
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jjay2518 said:
All of that still adds up to a small fraction of the current weed arrests and saved taxpayer money. Basically it sounds like your argument is that since legalizing weed won't eliminate all crime we shouldn't do it.
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Not at all. Not sure how you got that.

It wouldn't save tax payer money as much as it could add money through more tax money. There will still be those who sell it illegally to get around the taxes. I see fraud in every way imaginable, and that will continue.
 
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