Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

[BigZiti09]

Do you even edibles bro?

I smoke my edibles.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

However, to claim one should be legal because the other is does not contain any convincing evidence. It's like saying "yeah, so!" It might sound like a solid argument but there is no substance to it.

Yeah, it's almost as bad of an argument as being against legalizing pot because it will "destroy the constitution and our way of life" since antifa also is in favor of it. Almost.


Well, not really since it's easy to make a connection between alcohol and pot and their effects.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I have seen a kid get a fungal infection in his lungs from smoking weed.

Dead in 4 days

Didn't OD though...

Things like this are probably less likely to happen if it's legalized and regulated though.

No legitimate pot shop wants to sell fungus product.

 

[ODTVOL]

The best shine is still bootleg.

Know your source

 

[delfonic]

I smoke my edibles.

Well, I'm eating my smokables, so we basically offset

 

[ob79]

Side note his brother threatened to beat my a$$ because we couldn't save him

I'm so glad I don't work Murfreesboro. I'm really good at keeping cool and calming people down but...I draw the line with nurses. I don't have a lot of patience with people who get ill will ER staff.

 

[volatil]

There was a story in the pub about a kid who died from pneumonia and they thought it came from fungus on weed he had smoked once before. Anyhoo its pretty dang rare and i was taught early on to not smoke it if you see fungus, its easy to spot it comes feom improper storage/drying.

Extremely rare I would venture none the less it happened

 

[volatil]

Let me start by saying you are one of my favorite posters on this board. I appreciate the information you bring regarding middle Tennessee prospects. That being said, this is a pretty weak addition to this debate. I knew a girl who suffered for a week and died from an infection when a monkey threw its dung in her face/eye. Had the fastest and best medical care in the world and died all the same. Yet, I still go to the zoo with my family. Freak accidents occur, but there is nothing inherently dangerous about MJ. During prohibition, bootleggers were cutting booze with chemicals and people died, went blind, etc. They didn't overdose on alcohol. They were poisoned by reckless and greedy criminals. Once booze was legalized again, this largely disappeared (aside from people choosing to continue to purchase untaxed bathtub gin from shady moonshiners). I bet we will see similar benefits when MJ is legalized. In any case, in those places where MJ is legal, smoking is just one of several options.

Listen I've softened my stance on MJ. I used to be adamant against it. There are benefits from cannabis oil. As you stated with your monkey poo story, there are dangers in everything. The story I told was the personal experience that I witnessed. It was horrible. 19 year olds shouldn't be on a vent and coded multiple times because of something that was completely avoidable. It is something I will remember forever. His mother screaming for us to continue chest compressions and his brother having to be restrained by security when we told them there was nothing left we could do are images burned in my brain. I know this is very rare though.

 

[Glitch]

Yeah, it's almost as bad of an argument as being against legalizing pot because it will "destroy the constitution and our way of life" since antifa also is in favor of it. Almost.


Well, not really since it's easy to make a connection between alcohol and pot and their effects.

Your reading comprehension must have been broken during that. I stated that antifa is in favor of anything that causes our country more chaos. Obviously, as witnessed by this thread, the MJ debate is a rather divisive issue. They want us to be worried about petty arguments like whether MJ should be legal or not so we don't pay as much attention to them trying to take the Bill of Rights away from us ever so slowly. Put your head in the sand on this if you want.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Listen I've softened my stance on MJ. I used to be adamant against it. There are benefits from cannabis oil. As you stated with your monkey poo story, there are dangers in everything. The story I told was the personal experience that I witnessed. It was horrible. 19 year olds shouldn't be on a vent and coded multiple times because of something that was completely avoidable. It is something I will remember forever. His mother screaming for us to continue chest compressions and his brother having to be restrained by security when we told them there was nothing left we could do are images burned in my brain. I know this is very rare though.

Thanks for what you do. I could never do it.

 

[jjay2518]

Your reading comprehension must have been broken during that. I stated that antifa is in favor of anything that causes our country more chaos. Obviously, as witnessed by this thread, the MJ debate is a rather divisive issue. They want us to be worried about petty arguments like whether MJ should be legal or not so we don't pay as much attention to them trying to take the Bill of Rights away from us ever so slowly. Put your head in the sand on this if you want.

Sorry but it's really bizarre to shoehorn Antifa into this.

 

[Glitch]

Sorry but it's really bizarre to shoehorn Antifa into this.

Ok. They are a wonderful organization with America's best interest at heart.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Meh nvm

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I still don't understand your logic behind the "if alcohol is legal then MJ should be too" argument. What does one have to do with the other? Also, I really don't care one way or the other on the MJ issue. I don't use it nor do I plan too. The difference is the social acceptability of the substances. However, to claim one should be legal because the other is does not contain any convincing evidence. It's like saying "yeah, so!" It might sound like a solid argument but there is no substance to it.

And I still don't understand how you can say it's illogical...Anyway I'm done with this. I'm not a supporter of people getting drunk or stoned either one, but I do support them having the right to.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

You're right. Alcohol kills hundreds of thousands of Americans a year. Meth and heroin kill a fraction of that.

Gotta show a link to hundreds of thousands per year just in America... that may be just a tad high there...

High, get it?

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

But maybe if we focused more on addiction counseling/rehab instead of throwing users in jail and making it virtually improbable if not impossible to return to being a productive member of society then they would never get to a point where they have to resort to crime.

Portugal has decriminalized personal drug use since 2001 and they haven't collapsed into a lawless society and their drug use has lowered and their drug induced death rate is 5 times lower the EU average

Most countries don't have the levels of addictive personalities that the USA does.

Here is an example: Tramadol was on the market in Europe for more than 10 years in Europe before the USA. In Europe, the addiction rate was < 1%.
It was highly touted for this in comparison to opiods when first introduced in the USA.
Fast forward 10 years: addiction rates to Tramadol in the USA >10%. Quite the statistical difference.

I know this discussion is about the evil or beauty of mind altering substances...the truly most addictive and dangerous substance to American society is tobacco. It has cost more and killed more Americans than any war. The scary part? It was pushed to be mass produced by the US government. Why? Soldiers were calmed by its effects. It took too long to roll your own. Once mass produced, it was issued to our troops by our government...
Just think about that.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Illegality makes dirty needles more prevalent IMO.

Not true. States with high heroin use have even tried giving sterile needles to IV drug abusers. Guess what? No change in spread of HIV, Hepatitis or other blood borne infections. Why? That addict doesn't have time to follow sterile techniques...too busy trying to get to the high.

Seriously, that was your best argument?

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

I smoked a lot of weed as a teen, I'm now 43 (and have smoked lightly ever since) and my brain is A-OK. No one is saying its harmless...but compared to other legal drugs...it is pretty harmless.

Are you sure?
Maybe you were supposed to be the next Einstein or Hawking...
We will never know.
Anecdotal evidence against actual research is a great argument. There are always exceptions. Does not make it true for everyone else though.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Hey, Volatil. Just wanted to let you know that the experiment with the other drug was a failure. Her depression got much worse and we are putting her back on her old meds again. I actually think the medicine may have restored a little of her function as I think she became more aware of her disease thus causing an increase in her depression. Her self worth bottomed out.

I am truly sorry to hear that.
Will keep y'all in our prayers.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Name one real benefit from a donut. smart ***

Could help save your life if truly starving . Easy to digest. Nutrients quickly available.

There's one.

Now your turn :
Heroin
Meth
Crack
Cocaine

Let us hear it...

 

[jjay2518]

Ok. They are a wonderful organization with America's best interest at heart.

What are you talking about? That's not what anyone is saying. They just have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

I don't think anyone is saying it's harmless but the number 1 health problem in the US is obesity. Should we limit an adult to only healthy foods in moderation? Or put limiters on the speeds with which cars travel? How many disabilities and deaths could we prevent if we did these two things?

I think you have to treat it like alcohol. Age limit it even if you wanted to say 25 years old is the legal limit to use.

Ron Swanson just said that no one has ever died from MJ use. (Not true, being stoned on MJ slows your reaction time and judgement therefore driving is unsafe...)

Americans somehow have much higher addiction rates than the rest of the world...whether it's food, tobacco, alcohol, caffeine or whatever. You name it and Americans can become addicted to it.

It's really quite scary when you consider all the issues associated with the American addictive personality.

 

[jjay2518]

Ron Swanson just said that no one has ever died from MJ use. (Not true, being stoned on MJ slows your reaction time and judgement therefore driving is unsafe...)

Americans somehow have much higher addiction rates than the rest of the world...whether it's food, tobacco, alcohol, caffeine or whatever. You name it and Americans can become addicted to it.

It's really quite scary when you consider all the issues associated with the American addictive personality.

I'm fairly certain he meant that you can't die directly from a marijuana overdose.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

For the record. I don't believe it's harmless..my position is that MJ is not as harmful as alcohol, and almost nobody believes in prohibiting alcohol again..Do you? It is massive hypocrisy for MJ to be outlawed while alcohol is legal...Do you drink alcohol?

Gin should be outlawed, it's nasty.
Yessir I do. Not every day.

I am not against legalization of MJ. I just am arguing against some very flawed logic. Also totally against the it is totally harmless illusion. There is not a substance out there that is harmless it exposed to too much. Even water or oxygen.

 

[Glitch]

What are you talking about? That's not what anyone is saying. They just have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation.

It absolutely does. They, along with other groups, have slowly been whittling away at our sense of decency and outrage. Little by little we have become desensitized to drugs, violence, and pornography until it is almost mainstream. Most of us, me included, would be ok with MJ being legal but do you think that the antifa/anti-American groups would stop there. No they would not. Please continue thinking that the debate over legalized MJ is not a top priority of the people that hate America. Just one more step in the erosion of our society towards their goal. I have seen it in my lifetime and it will only get worse.