Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[Glitch]

Taxation is not consensual. It is mandatory. What happens if you don’t pay? The government shows up with guns to seize your property. So taxation is theft.

Hey. I get paid for drill and AT. Can they get me on receiving stolen property?

 

[Rishvol]

Hey. I get paid for drill and AT. Can they get me on receiving stolen property?

You give it back though

 

[T Dog]

I've heard similar for example, not being able to dip a chip in hand grated melted cheese.

It depends on what kind of cheese. For instance I heard that Newtfoundland cheese was not to be trusted. But American and Mexican is just fine.

 

[Creamsicle82]

What I read, and again, not sure if true, said that simple math was just too...simple for him to comprehend. It said the way his mind worked, it just couldn't come down and focus on a basic level. One of the reasons I've always believed it was true is because I've read of genius'/supreme intellect not even being able to tie their shoes. Their mind's stay on a level far above, and can't dip below for...normal, simple, easy. Again, this may not be true about Einstein, but I did read it somewhere, and the explanation as to why he couldn't.

You really ought to read better books.

That Einstein myth is an old one, and it’s been debunked thoroughly for ~ 100 years.

I don’t know if you’re thinking of savantism, people with severe mental disabilities that are extremely good at a very narrow task, but geniuses who can’t tie their shoes, outside of some physical handicap*, don’t actually exist.

*Like Stephen Hawking

 

[PoweredByTheT]

Years ago, I read that he couldn't do simple math.

That is such an incredible absurdity... he’s one of the greatest mathematical minds of the human race... ever... you can’t be a theoretical physicist without profound math skills, better yet the most widely touted one ever... that’s like the Michael Jordan didn’t make his HS basketball team until his Senior year thing

 

[kmkemp11]

Taxation is not consensual. It is mandatory. What happens if you don’t pay? The government shows up with guns to seize your property. So taxation is theft.

Theft = involuntary giving of property while receiving nothing in return
Taxes = involuntary giving of property while receiving something in return

I would hate taxes, since I'm generally against being forced to do anything, but then I would have to invent a better system to uphold my rights and generally promote peace over hundreds of years. Since I don't have a better solution, I'll just complain about how much I get taxed and how those dollars are spent rather than drawing false analogies.

 

[SergeantVol]

Theft = involuntary giving of property while receiving nothing in return
Taxes = involuntary giving of property while receiving something in return

I would hate taxes, since I'm generally against being forced to do anything, but then I would have to invent a better system to uphold my rights and generally promote peace over hundreds of years. Since I don't have a better solution, I'll just complain about how much I get taxed and how those dollars are spent rather than drawing false analogies.

I guess fraud, waste, abuse, and subpar services is something, albeit an unacceptable return on stolen money.

 

[T Dog]

Nikola Tesla was the smartest ever. Even Einstein said so. Would not be typing on this phone right now if not for him. If you do not know his story I implore you to watch some YouTube vids. It is amazing what all he invented. He was robbed for the light bulb too, Edison used him then claimed he came up with it. Really amazing info on youtube on him.

 

[Rishvol]

"new aged thinkers" are coming out in force lately

 

[PoweredByTheT]

Nikola Tesla was the smartest ever. Even Einstein said so. Would not be typing on this phone right now if not for him. If you do not know his story I implore you to watch some YouTube vids. It is amazing what all he invented. He was robbed for the light bulb too, Edison used him then claimed he came up with it. Really amazing info on youtube on him.

I would never discount Tesla’s work... and history books leave him out all too often... he was an electrical engineer though, not a theoretical physicist

 

[kmkemp11]

I guess fraud, waste, abuse, and subpar services is something, albeit an unacceptable return on stolen money.

Yea, I'm not happy about how a great deal of my tax money is spent, but still:

* I have not seen a draft in my lifetime
* I have roads to drive about on
* I generally have clean air to breathe
* I generally do not have to fear for my safety
* if I lose my job for any great length of time, it will suck but at least I can still eat
* when I buy groceries, I can be mostly assured that it's not poisonous
* where I live, at least, the water that comes to my house is clean enough to drink and there is plenty of it to take showers and wash dishes etc with
* I can use electricity without outage for 99%+ of the time at my house and mostly anywhere I would ever travel
* when I purchase a house, I don't have to have 20+ years of accumulated knowledge to have a reasonable assurance that my house will not have a myriad of problems
* if I am accused of a crime, I will have a good chance, if I'm innocent, of avoiding any penalty other than being inconvenienced and spending some money on defense
* my toilet takes waste out of my vision
* I can generally buy medicine in stores and be mostly assured that it will not harm me irreperably
* because of the financial system that has been chosen, I generally can afford lots of stuff over and above what I would consider just surviving

Now maybe you think that stuff is nothing, but it's not like that in at least half of the world. So yea, losing almost half my income sucks, but that income wouldn't even be possible without taxes, so I choose the income that I do have over the meager bartering I would be able to do without it. My 2 cents.

 

[T Dog]

I would never discount Tesla’s work... and history books leave him out all too often... he was an electrical engineer though, not a theoretical physicist

He had a brainy mug is all I know.

 

[bignewt]

Yea, I'm not happy about how a great deal of my tax money is spent, but still:

* I have not seen a draft in my lifetime
* I have roads to drive about on
* I generally have clean air to breathe
* I generally do not have to fear for my safety
* if I lose my job for any great length of time, it will suck but at least I can still eat
* when I buy groceries, I can be mostly assured that it's not poisonous
* where I live, at least, the water that comes to my house is clean enough to drink and there is plenty of it to take showers and wash dishes etc with
* I can use electricity without outage for 99%+ of the time at my house and mostly anywhere I would ever travel
* when I purchase a house, I don't have to have 20+ years of accumulated knowledge to have a reasonable assurance that my house will not have a myriad of problems
* if I am accused of a crime, I will have a good chance, if I'm innocent, of avoiding any penalty other than being inconvenienced and spending some money on defense
* my toilet takes waste out of my vision
* I can generally buy medicine in stores and be mostly assured that it will not harm me irreperably
* because of the financial system that has been chosen, I generally can afford lots of stuff over and above what I would consider just surviving

Now maybe you think that stuff is nothing, but it's not like that in at least half of the world. So yea, losing almost half my income sucks, but that income wouldn't even be possible without taxes, so I choose the income that I do have over the meager bartering I would be able to do without it. My 2 cents.

IRS employee imo

 

[SergeantVol]

Yea, I'm not happy about how a great deal of my tax money is spent, but still:

* I have not seen a draft in my lifetime
* I have roads to drive about on
- roads existed before income tax. Privatized roads are consistently better maintained. Also private companies build the roads that the government pays for. Why not cut out the middle man?
* I generally have clean air to breathe
- the opposite side of the coin has caused housing issues in California
* I generally do not have to fear for my safety
- the 2nd Amendment does more for your safety than anything else
* if I lose my job for any great length of time, it will suck but at least I can still eat
- self sufficiency will lead you to eat better and longer
* when I buy groceries, I can be mostly assured that it's not poisonous
- and have added additional costs
* where I live, at least, the water that comes to my house is clean enough to drink and there is plenty of it to take showers and wash dishes etc with
- but makes it illegal to collect rainwater
* I can use electricity without outage for 99%+ of the time at my house and mostly anywhere I would ever travel
- electricity is private sector
* when I purchase a house, I don't have to have 20+ years of accumulated knowledge to have a reasonable assurance that my house will not have a myriad of problems
- again not a government function. An inspector from the private sector can assess your domicile
* if I am accused of a crime, I will have a good chance, if I'm innocent, of avoiding any penalty other than being inconvenienced and spending some money on defense
- most of that could be alleviated if most legislation is repealed (no victim=no crime). But I guess over crowding of prisons by non-violent offenders is cool too
* my toilet takes waste out of my vision
- again private sector
* I can generally buy medicine in stores and be mostly assured that it will not harm me irreperably
- but medication that has been shown in trials to be effective at treating diseases is not allowed because of the FDA. FDA regs also stifle competition in pharmaceuticals because of regulations
* because of the financial system that has been chosen, I generally can afford lots of stuff over and above what I would consider just surviving
- again free market capitalism is not the result of paying taxes

Now maybe you think that stuff is nothing, but it's not like that in at least half of the world. So yea, losing almost half my income sucks, but that income wouldn't even be possible without taxes, so I choose the income that I do have over the meager bartering I would be able to do without it. My 2 cents.

Most everything you stated above has nothing to do with taxes. The comments that do are actually hindered by government involvement.

 

[kmkemp11]

Most everything you stated above has nothing to do with taxes. The comments that do are actually hindered by government involvement.

They certainly all have to do with taxes. Could some of them occur without taxes? Probably. Certainly not all of them. I'm anxious to hear how I can get all of my rights protected for cheaper, without coercion. That sounds like a hell of a deal to me... I'll wait.

p.s. Oh, and don't forget giving those same protections to the 1/4 of Americans that live in poverty, or otherwise I will lose my safety.

 

[SugarCC]

You really ought to read better books.

That Einstein myth is an old one, and it’s been debunked thoroughly for ~ 100 years.

I don’t know if you’re thinking of savantism, people with severe mental disabilities that are extremely good at a very narrow task, but geniuses who can’t tie their shoes, outside of some physical handicap*, don’t actually exist.

*Like Stephen Hawking

First off, I never said I read any of that in a book; it may have been a magazine or newspaper, can't quite remember. Maybe you ought to be reading posts more clearly.
Second, if I'm ever able to turn back time to my late teens, when, if memory serves me, was around the time I believe I read that, according to you(and I'm assuming you're right on all that you said), false information, what books would you suggest I read? Now keep in mind, I'm probably not as smart as you seem to see and think of yourself, so...
Third, and I'm just asking out of curiosity, because you seem to have some knowledge in the area of better books, Einstein, debunked myths, savantism, geniuses, and tying shoes (and don't get me wrong, im impressed by a well-rounded person); but, Im curious as to what you do, if you don't mind me asking? Is it in one the fields that has been mentioned, or related to?
Fourth, I do appreciate you helping me out and correcting me about something I read over 20 yrs ago, and today being the first time, I do believe, I have thought about it since.
Fifth, I truly am grateful for the correction, and would have been more so if you hadnt come off as smug and superior as you did. This is just one man's opinion, I could've took you wrong, and if I did, I apologize...if I didn't, I don't.

 

[SergeantVol]

They certainly all have to do with taxes. Could some of them occur without taxes? Probably. Certainly not all of them. I'm anxious to hear how I can get all of my rights protected for cheaper, without coercion. That sounds like a hell of a deal to me... I'll wait.

Your rights are given to you by your creator. Most of your rights need protection from the government trying to infringe on them. The ones that don’t (life, property) can be protected via a firearm. By and large, the government is the biggest violator of rights. Our founder fathers recognized it and limited our government. They recognized mans right to self rule with minimal government involvement. Today society is begging to be ruled by government because they have been fooled into thinking they need government to do everything for them.

 

[SugarCC]

That is such an incredible absurdity... he’s one of the greatest mathematical minds of the human race... ever... you can’t be a theoretical physicist without profound math skills, better yet the most widely touted one ever... that’s like the Michael Jordan didn’t make his HS basketball team until his Senior year thing

PBTT, I've learned today that it's a myth, not true. Like I said, I read it long ago, and never had really thought about it again. Thought it could be true because i read in a Psychology book or heard it in a Psychology class in college, that supreme intelligence, geniuses, had trouble doing basic tasks. From what some smart guy posted at me earlier, this seems to be false as well. So, I apologize for bringing false information to the board.

 

[kmkemp11]

Your rights are given to you by your creator. Most of your rights need protection from the government trying to infringe on them. The ones that don’t (life, property) can be protected via a firearm. By and large, the government is the biggest violator of rights. Our founder fathers recognized it and limited our government. They recognized mans right to self rule with minimal government involvement. Today society is begging to be ruled by government because they have been fooled into thinking they need government to do everything for them.

That's a non-answer. I agree with almost everything you said, but none of those explain how you plan to secure my rights for cheaper, without coercion. "Get a gun" is not a solution. Then I just wait until a large group of thieves with guns show up to murder me or just steal my property while I'm away. So now I have to hire a militia to protect my property, which only deters those who have smaller militias. I don't think that worked out well for us when we tried it.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

What have I clicked myself into here?

 

[chargervol]

PBTT, I've learned today that it's a myth, not true. Like I said, I read it long ago, and never had really thought about it again. Thought it could be true because i read in a Psychology book or heard it in a Psychology class in college, that supreme intelligence, geniuses, had trouble doing basic tasks. From what some smart guy posted at me earlier, this seems to be false as well. So, I apologize for bringing false information to the board.

It's a common belief and there's many people that think that about Einstein. The actual basis is that he was failing math and he WAS. Not because of an inability but because his way was better.
Unfortunately for him, the technique being taught, was expected to be turned in.

So the story is based in fact (failing math) but people assumed that he was failing for the same reason most do, an inability.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Grating your tackle while connected to a Tesla coil is where I draw the line!
Unless it is to get the NCAA clearinghouse off their azz.

 

[Rishvol]

What have I clicked myself into here?

Get woke

 

[bignewt]

Libertarian government would dismantle the IRS and give us a simple federal government sales tax that would fund infrastructure, national security and conservation. It would be glorious.

 

[SergeantVol]

Libertarian government would dismantle the IRS and give us a simple federal government sales tax that would fund infrastructure, national security and conservation. It would be glorious.

@kmkemp11 this is an acceptable solution. I’m not advocating the complete dismantling of government. I’m advocating an heavy downsizing so government would provide for the common defense, regulate interstate commerce, and delegate everything else to local government.