Recruiting forum off topic thread (merged)

[Skullbone]

changing your insurance company is easier said than done. Getting it through your employer is pretty much the only feasible option for the majority of America because going outside of that is exorbitantly expensive in most cases.

Healthcare is different that just about every other industry because in most cases you can't shop around and compare prices in medical emergiences. Get in a car accident and need an ambulance to take you to an ER? Better hope that the hospital is in network. Or maybe you plan a surgery and make sure the hospital, surgeon and practice you are using are in network, but for some reason the anaesthologist that works for the hospital isn't so now your paying a few extra thousand dollars even though you did everything right through insurance.

We spend more per capita than almost any other country and what exactly do we get out of it?

Seriously? Only the greatest medical technologies, treatments, schools, and institutions on Earth. It is a fact that the vast majority of all medical tourism worldwide takes place here in America. There's a reason for that, and it ain't because our system sucks.

 

[BJHSVol]

Seriously? Only the greatest medical technologies, treatments, schools, and institutions on Earth. It is a fact that the vast majority of all medical tourism worldwide takes place here in America. There's a reason for that, and it ain't because our system sucks.

There's nothing wrong with the skill of our practitioners, but the healthcare system is more than it. We spend 16% of our GDP, almost twice as much as other OECD countries and still almost 20% of our country is in medical debt.

And I 100% believe in personal responsibility, but a number that high points to their being an issue with the way insurance is currently implemented and how we pay for healthcare

 

[Skullbone]

There's nothing wrong with the skill of our practitioners, but the healthcare system is more than it. We spend 16% of our GDP, almost twice as much as other OECD countries and still almost 20% of our country is in medical debt.

And I 100% believe in personal responsibility, but a number that high points to their being an issue with the way insurance is currently implemented and how we pay for healthcare

Perhaps, but I do not believe the remedy for high cost is a government takeover. That's on display literally right now. Also, I'm strongly against our people overspending. If you think 20% being in medical debt is bad you should take a peek at the uncounted but none the less real $123 trillion or so of debt our people have for unfunded liabilities. That's trillion with a T.

 

[BJHSVol]

Perhaps, but I do not believe the remedy for high cost is a government takeover. That's on display literally right now. Also, I'm strongly against our people overspending. If you think 20% being in medical debt is bad you should take a peek at the uncounted but none the less real $123 trillion or so of debt our people have for unfunded liabilities. That's trillion with a T.

100% agree with you about that. I'm in not saying that government takeover is necessarily the right move. I just think that the current system right now needs something done to it to lower costs, and that universal healthcare should at least get a fair look. Personally I don't think a federally funded program would ever work, but I think a state run system could work

In my mind healthcare isn't a right vs left issue, I would support any system that's able to decrease the number of uninsured Americans at a reasonable cost.

 

[itsme]

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-- Thomas Jefferson

That's spitting some truth right there.

 

[BruinVol]

Caught up with an old friend today that is a gun dealer. Interesting discussion with him about the election.

He said, strictly for his business, he wants the democrats to win the election.

At first I thought he had lost him mind but after explaining it made sense.

Democrats are great for him sales.


You guys agree?

 

[RunnersLunge]

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Several of these quotes were simply never said by T. Jefferson, but I'm sure you already knew that prior to pasting them.

 

[UTJoe]

Several of these quotes were simply never said by T. Jefferson, but I'm sure you already knew that prior to pasting them.

Wasn't there, so I don't know. Glad you knew, though.

 

[Hubbard]

changing your insurance company is easier said than done. Getting it through your employer is pretty much the only feasible option for the majority of America because going outside of that is exorbitantly expensive in most cases.

Healthcare is different that just about every other industry because in most cases you can't shop around and compare prices in medical emergiences. Get in a car accident and need an ambulance to take you to an ER? Better hope that the hospital is in network. Or maybe you plan a surgery and make sure the hospital, surgeon and practice you are using are in network, but for some reason the anaesthologist that works for the hospital isn't so now your paying a few extra thousand dollars even though you did everything right through insurance.

We spend more per capita than almost any other country and what exactly do we get out of it?

Well, first understand that having an "easy" life is not a right. You have to work at it.

The point is that you currently have a choice to change insurance companies. In a "single payor" (Just call it what it is - socialist healthcare) you do not have that option. Today your company, as well, has the choice to shop for the best insurance deal. That choice goes away with socialist healthcare. You get what the government offers (see the VA system).

What do we get for our dollars? We get a healthcare system that many in other countries travel to receive and to work in. If you want to keep the same level of healthcare, and future advancements, at a lower price, competition, not socialism, is the answer.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Caught up with an old friend today that is a gun dealer. Interesting discussion with him about the election.

He said, strictly for his business, he wants the democrats to win the election.

At first I thought he had lost him mind but after explaining it made sense.

Democrats are great for him sales.


You guys agree?

Absolutely. I have tons of friends and family who loaded up on guns and ammo wafted Obama was elected because they thought they wouldn't be able to buy more by the time he left office.

If I was selling guns I'd be pulling for democrats in every federal government election.

 

[Hubbard]

There's nothing wrong with the skill of our practitioners, but the healthcare system is more than it. We spend 16% of our GDP, almost twice as much as other OECD countries and still almost 20% of our country is in medical debt.

And I 100% believe in personal responsibility, but a number that high points to their being an issue with the way insurance is currently implemented and how we pay for healthcare

Here is the situation, you want a (insert your favorite dream car here, I'll pick Ferrari) at a Chevy Neon price. I understand that it is getting harder and harder to find that Neon-level healthcare service but most people are not looking for it. They all want the Ferrari from a discount car lot. However, if the Ferrari does not work or meet their expectation, there are plenty of lawyers willing to help you sue. Insurance to protect from lawsuits run in the tens of thousands of dollars.

 

[volssam]

What I'm trying to understand is if you take more and more and more money from the "rich" who are the actual employers, who is then gonna do the actual employing? You kill jobs by applying higher taxes to the rich.

You want America to work? Slash taxes. For everyone. Rich, middle class, anybody and everybody who pays taxes. Then everybody has more money to spend which boosts the economy. And the wealthy have more money to hire more people. So more people are working, and therefore more people are paying taxes. Seems simple.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

What I'm trying to understand is if you take more and more and more money from the "rich" who are the actual employers, who is then gonna do the actual employing? You kill jobs by applying higher taxes to the rich.

You want America to work? Slash taxes. For everyone. Rich, middle class, anybody and everybody who pays taxes. Then everybody has more money to spend which boosts the economy. And the wealthy have more money to hire more people. So more people are working, and therefore more people are paying taxes. Seems simple.

But I want roads to drive on, good schools for our youth, and a capable, if not downright powerful military to protect our interests.

Gotta get money for all that stuff from somewhere.

 

[Dust10]

Caught up with an old friend today that is a gun dealer. Interesting discussion with him about the election.

He said, strictly for his business, he wants the democrats to win the election.

At first I thought he had lost him mind but after explaining it made sense.

Democrats are great for him sales.


You guys agree?

No doubt. No one person in the history of the world has inspired people to buy guns more than Barack Obama.

 

[volssam]

But I want roads to drive on, good schools for our youth, and a capable, if not downright powerful military to protect our interests.

Gotta get money for all that stuff from somewhere.

That's why I said more people working would mean more people paying taxes. Also cut a lot of the size of government - such as the EPA and the Federal Dept of education and the IRS, etc. Cut a lot of the bureaucratic mess. Also become energy independent. Provide our own oil and other energy alternatives. Which both creates more jobs (again, more tax payers) and keeps us from having to send our money to Arab nations

And then, if more money is still needed, perhaps explore a small consumption tax.

 

[InVOLuntary]

What I'm trying to understand is if you take more and more and more money from the "rich" who are the actual employers, who is then gonna do the actual employing? You kill jobs by applying higher taxes to the rich.

You want America to work? Slash taxes. For everyone. Rich, middle class, anybody and everybody who pays taxes. Then everybody has more money to spend which boosts the economy. And the wealthy have more money to hire more people. So more people are working, and therefore more people are paying taxes. Seems simple.

You just described "Reaganomics".

 

[Hubbard]

But I want roads to drive on, good schools for our youth, and a capable, if not downright powerful military to protect our interests.

Gotta get money for all that stuff from somewhere.

I think most would agree with roads and schools. I happen to agree with all three. Nonetheless, the question is who is accountable for the spending and who will fund the services.

A flat-rate tax will help everyone be concerned with how the government is spending our, not just the "rich", money. It is easy to spend another man's money.

 

[volssam]

But I want roads to drive on, good schools for our youth, and a capable, if not downright powerful military to protect our interests.

Gotta get money for all that stuff from somewhere.

Also, schools can be left to the states. Not the federal govt.

Federal government should protect our nation from threats. So I agree on the military. I want a big, strong one that will provide safety and stability to our freedom.

 

[volssam]

I think most would agree with roads and schools. I happen to agree with all three. Nonetheless, the question is who is accountable for the spending and who will fund the services.

A flat-rate tax will help everyone be concerned with how the government is spending our, not just the "rich", money. It is easy to spend another man's money.

Schools should be left to the states, not the federal government.

 

[Mick]

Caught up with an old friend today that is a gun dealer. Interesting discussion with him about the election.

He said, strictly for his business, he wants the democrats to win the election.

At first I thought he had lost him mind but after explaining it made sense.

Democrats are great for him sales.


You guys agree?

People in fear are great for his business.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Unrestrained greed vs. Unrestrained entitlement..common sense has to be somewhere in the middle.

 

[InVOLuntary]

66% of our Federal budget goes to entitlements. We're never going to solve any economic problems until we get people weaned from the government teat. We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. Our democracy was never intended to take care of citizens (and some non-citizens) from womb to tomb.

 

[itsme]

What I'm trying to understand is if you take more and more and more money from the "rich" who are the actual employers, who is then gonna do the actual employing? You kill jobs by applying higher taxes to the rich.

You want America to work? Slash taxes. For everyone. Rich, middle class, anybody and everybody who pays taxes. Then everybody has more money to spend which boosts the economy. And the wealthy have more money to hire more people. So more people are working, and therefore more people are paying taxes. Seems simple.

The main employer would then be the government. Then they could provide everything for everyone in their utopia. What most people don't think about is at that point you are a slave beholden to the almighty government. Pretty disturbing situation.

At that point they control everything in your life. The opportunity to choose healthcare, the opportunity to work, everything.

 

[LittleCat]

If someone says they will commit suicide in your life then please do not ignore their cry for help. The fact that he was saying that was something I never knew until after the fact.

Didn't see this until now, but want to express my sympathy. I've had a few family members (not close ones, but still family that we loved) have issues. Sometimes it's hard to see into someones world and understand how deep in trouble they are. I wish something was done to help them, but it's a difficult situation.

Wish you all the best.

 

[Burger]

Trump will make America great again. I can vote for anyone self-funding their campaign.