Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It’s called common sense.

Really? It is called discrimination

 

[hooperj75]

I was wondering how far this actually goes since he said it’s done all the time. What exactly do people look for? Religion? Political affiliation? Activities? What do you look for?

None of the above mentioned….it’s not legal to base a hiring decision on those you listed. I’m talking about racist, sexist, violent, or illegal. As someone mentioned before, you wouldn’t believe what some people say and admit to doing online. All of these get flagged prior to the interview process.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Employees I hire are a direct representation of my company. You can’t discriminate based on politics, but if someone is a disgusting POS online, I don’t want them as a representative…..pretty cool huh.

What is your definition of a disgusting POS? Somebody that say believes abortion is murder, and doesn't support all the other woke garbage and says it?

If somebody threatens or commits actual violence or REAL racism...then yeah I get that.

How much leeway you give minorities to say whatever the hell they want?

 

[GoBigOrange86]

None of the above mentioned….it’s not legal to base a hiring decision on those you listed. I’m talking about racist, sexist, violent, or illegal. As someone mentioned before, you wouldn’t believe what some people say and admit to doing online. All of these get flagged prior to the interview process.

Political affiliation is not a protected class. Religion is. And it depends on the activities.

 

[SoilVol]

I hate cancel culture.

I do too, but I'm not sure how much this qualifies. It's not like they dug up some 10 yr old tweets. Dude is repping Kele Inc and posting awful and blatantly racist garbage. That's unacceptable employee behavior that you can't tolerate.

Making that behavior known to an employer isn't wrong.

 

[VolGee4]

Really? It is called discrimination

I just can’t believe it’s this difficult.

You should treat all online discussions like you are publicly speaking in front of thousands of people you don’t know. Because….you are literally “speaking” to thousands of people you don’t really know.

Society has lost all common sense and civility. As has been stated, say stupid things, win stupid prizes. This is why people get into these situations.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

I for one look forward to a world where we are too afraid to speak at all and instead communicate in a series of grunts until the grunts, too, become too risky and everyone finally shuts up and we can have some peace and quiet.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

What is your definition of a disgusting POS? Somebody that say believes abortion is murder, and doesn't support all the other woke garbage and says it?

If somebody threatens or commits actual violence or REAL racism...then yeah I get that.

How much leeway you give minorities to say whatever the hell they want?

Every situation stands on its own and I think you're dragging a lot of hypotheticals into this conversation that just have nothing to do with this particular situation. I think the discussion you seem to be aiming for might best be suited for the political forum. No offense.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I just can’t believe it’s this difficult.

You should treat all online discussions like you are publicly speaking in front of thousands of people you don’t know. Because….you are literally “speaking” to thousands of people you don’t really know.

Society has lost all common sense and civility. As has been stated, say stupid things, win stupid prizes. This is why people get into these situations.

I hate a world in which a person loses their livelihood for something he says that people don't like....not something that actually harms anyone...just something people don't like.

This is...garbage. Sometimes it is common sense...most of the time is pure discrimination and persecution.

This guy and his family are the only people that got hurt by this....it isn't right and it isn't right to support it.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Employees I hire are a direct representation of my company. You can’t discriminate based on politics, but if someone is a disgusting POS online, I don’t want them as a representative…..pretty cool huh.

I think a growing number of people would say that anyone who posts conservative / liberal content actually is a POS. So that's a pretty blurry line. Call it a sign of the times. But as someone who is conservative in probably the most liberal field that there is on planet Earth (tech), I'm not a fan of that approach. Plus the idea that even off the clock, at home, in my underwear, I'm still a "representative" of my company, even if I make no mention of them is a little... Possessive.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

I hate a world in which a person loses their livelihood for something he says that people don't like....not something that actually harms anyone...just something people don't like.

This is...garbage. Sometimes it is common sense...most of the time is pure discrimination and persecution.

This guy and his family are the only people that got hurt by this....it isn't right and it isn't right to support it.

This is the thing. No one actually cares that much about this guy one way or the other. He's just today's Two Minutes of Hate and then he'll be tossed in the trash and forgotten. This is about power, about proving you can shut people up if you scream loud enough and long enough.

 

[BearCat204]

The dude supported unnecessary violence and racism on a public platform. Can’t fix stupid or unethical, dude deserved it. Company better off without him.

I will never agree that a person should lose their livelihood over post on social media, no matter the message.

 

[VolGee4]

I hate a world in which a person loses their livelihood for something he says that people don't like....not something that actually harms anyone...just something people don't like.

This is...garbage. Sometimes it is common sense...most of the time is pure discrimination and persecution.

This guy and his family are the only people that got hurt by this....it isn't right and it isn't right to support it.

Just like the person has the freedom to say as he pleases, the company has the freedom to hire and fire as it pleases. Goes both ways.

If you want to complain about discrimination of people with vitriol, stupidity, and no self control, have at it.

I have no time for it, and it’s why this is the only online community I’m a part of. Can’t believe it’s even a discussion.

 

[Orangeburst]

Employees I hire are a direct representation of my company. You can’t discriminate based on politics, but if someone is a disgusting POS online, I don’t want them as a representative…..pretty cool huh.

That is a biased subjective approach. Congrats on your ability to find qualified employees that make your company thrive.
We could open Pandora's Box if you like.

 

[SoilVol]

A pattern of poor behavior and bad decisions. It isn't always a political crusade. A lot of companies check social media and have social media policies. If you're saying completely inappropriate things all the time and being an a-hole, then you might get fired. I've explained it to people this way...if you want to do drugs and have a job, then you better find a job with a company that doesn't care. If you want to literally say and do anything you want online and have a job, make sure to find a job with a company that doesn't care.

From what I saw on this guy's Twitter, he's been a bit of an a-hole and said some things that seriously reflect poorly on him. Since he used his real name and had his employer listed on social media, they got drug into it and put in a bad spot. Don't do something that publicly embarrasses your employer if you don't want to get fired. I don't think this was a "cancel culture" situation (which does exist on all sides of the political spectrum). There was a lot more on his account than just that one comment...which that comment alone shouldn't get anyone fired in my opinion.

Imagine it's 1957, you stand on a podium in the town square wearing the town's General Store work uniform and pontificate on beating women and hanging black Americans.

Town members walk into the General Store and tell the owner what his employee is doing and saying.

Fired on the spot.

Social media these days is everyone having a podium on the town square and saying whatever they want. And everyone can hear them. And it gets transcribed in perpetuity.

If you wouldn't say it with your actual voice wearing your work uniform, or your church's name, or your family beside you, etc... then you shouldn't share the thought on social media.

 

[hooperj75]

That is a biased subjective approach. Congrats on your ability to find qualified employees that make your company thrive.
We could open Pandora's Box if you like.

Look…..I did not mean to make this a big thing. I simply stated that employers look at social media prior to interviews so be carefully what you post. That is fact, not my opinion. Do with it what you want. I’ve already said religion, and others are not what I’m talking about. I’m talking blatant racism, drug use, violence, or anything else illegal. That is all. How about that win Saturday

 

[BleedorangeinGA]

I think a growing number of people would say that anyone who posts conservative / liberal content actually is a POS. So that's a pretty blurry line. Call it a sign of the times. But as someone who is conservative in probably the most liberal field that there is on planet Earth (tech), I'm not a fan of that approach. Plus the idea that even off the clock, at home, in my underwear, I'm still a "representative" of my company, even if I make no mention of them is a little... Possessive.

Good discussion points. I see both sides. I don’t have the answers obviously but I certainly can see both viewpoints.

 

[SoilVol]

That is a biased subjective approach. Congrats on your ability to find qualified employees that make your company thrive.
We could open Pandora's Box if you like.

Hiring employees is inherently subjective. You select employees that represent you/the company's values and can best get the job done. There are a handful of things you're legally not allowed to add to your decision making process, but a lot of things you can.

If you own a vegan restaurant, you can absolutely discriminate on hiring a meat-eater... even on the basis of you finding their dietary lifestyle reprehensible. That's subjective and totally legal. It's also what might be best for that business, everyone having a likeminded background.

Conversely, if you own a customer service business you may discriminate hiring someone who routinely uses rhetoric you find wrong/questionable and isn't well spoken. That's logical. Its bad for business if your employee gets frustrated with a customer of a different race or culture, says something offensive or outright racist.

If you own a business, you can, and always have, been able to select employees that you believe will be good representatives for the company.

 

[Orangeburst]

Look…..I did not mean to make this a big thing. I simply stated that employers look at social media prior to interviews so be carefully what you post. That is fact, not my opinion. Do with it what you want. I’ve already said religion, and others are not what I’m talking about. I’m talking blatant racism, drug use, violence, or anything else illegal. That is all. How about that win Saturday

I get it..and you just opened up the Box of permissible behavior. Who determines acceptable behavior? Shall we scour your SM posts from whenever and read without context?
Quoting Blazing Saddles is blatant racism?

We have become pusssified.

 

[Orangeburst]

Hiring employees is inherently subjective. You select employees that represent you/the company's values and can best get the job done. There are a handful of things you're legally not allowed to add to your decision making process, but a lot of things you can.

If you own a vegan restaurant, you can absolutely discriminate on hiring a meat-eater... even on the basis of you finding their dietary lifestyle reprehensible. That's subjective and totally legal. It's also what might be best for that business, everyone having a likeminded background.

Conversely, if you own a customer service business you may discriminate hiring someone who routinely uses rhetoric you find wrong/questionable and isn't well spoken. That's logical. Its bad for business if your employee gets frustrated with a customer of a different race or culture, says something offensive or outright racist.

If you own a business, you can, and always have, been able to select employees that you believe will be good representatives for the company.

Not denying that..you find employees that meet your culture.
This is CCP social credit **** and denies the 1st Amendment

 

[VolGee4]

I get it..and you just opened up the Box of permissible behavior. Who determines acceptable behavior? Shall we scour your SM posts from whenever and read without context?
Quoting Blazing Saddles is blatant racism?

We have become pusssified.

If he’s the owner of the company, then he’s the decision-maker and sets values for his company. Then, the market (i.e. consumers) determine if they want the product based on company service, product, values, etc.

These things are not difficult.

 

[SweetasSoda]

A pattern of poor behavior and bad decisions. It isn't always a political crusade. A lot of companies check social media and have social media policies. If you're saying completely inappropriate things all the time and being an a-hole, then you might get fired. I've explained it to people this way...if you want to do drugs and have a job, then you better find a job with a company that doesn't care. If you want to literally say and do anything you want online and have a job, make sure to find a job with a company that doesn't care.

From what I saw on this guy's Twitter, he's been a bit of an a-hole and said some things that seriously reflect poorly on him. Since he used his real name and had his employer listed on social media, they got drug into it and put in a bad spot. Don't do something that publicly embarrasses your employer if you don't want to get fired. I don't think this was a "cancel culture" situation (which does exist on all sides of the political spectrum). There was a lot more on his account than just that one comment...which that comment alone shouldn't get anyone fired in my opinion.

Wasn’t so much talking about this situation as the situation where employers are checking people’s social media before hiring. A pattern of poor behavior? That’s going to be different for a lot of people. How bad does it have to be? Just concerned this could get out of hand. I don’t post anything I would not say to someone face to face so not worried about me.

 

[VolGee4]

Not denying that..you find employees that meet your culture.
This is CCP social credit **** and denies the 1st Amendment

No, it’s not. There is not a freedom from consequences. Freedom of speech is from government action.

 

[SSVol]

Not denying that..you find employees that meet your culture.
This is CCP social credit **** and denies the 1st Amendment

It speaks to judgment, character, and ethics. I don't really care what you say, but what you say reveals who you are, and I do care who you are.

 

[SweetasSoda]

None of the above mentioned….it’s not legal to base a hiring decision on those you listed. I’m talking about racist, sexist, violent, or illegal. As someone mentioned before, you wouldn’t believe what some people say and admit to doing online. All of these get flagged prior to the interview process.

Agree with those. But the other, even though illegal, how you going to prove someone checked your social media and didn’t hire you for those reasons?