‘23 Recruiting Forum: Official Alabama Pregame/Game Thread

This game was in Jeopardy in the first half, when you can’t convert in the RED Zone. Has been a pattern this year, don’t win many games kicking threes!
That’s absolutely true!! 100%
I was in the car driving from Destin FL to Kentucky so I had to listen to it on the radio.

2 things jumped out to me:
8-1 penalties, announcers said Bama OL was holding all day. No surprise there.

3 times inside 10-15 yard line in first half and unable to score a TD. - not really a surprise there either.

The stats were pretty even ( except for penalties)

So why couldn’t we get in the end zone? ( this time)
 
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Was surprised we couldn’t run the ball in traditional fashion
They basically went away from it after the first quarter. Milton was the run game after that. They will never be consistent against quality D's with their RB rotation. It detracts from the overall production. Good RBs need to get into the rhythm with the blockers. Bama's top guy got 27 carries and the back up 6. Our top guy got 11 and the two back ups 4 and 8. All three have different styles. 9 of those runs were in the first quarter, not counting all of Joe's runs.

Small is the least productive back running and receiving. I assume he plays as much as he does because of pass pro, which seems like a poor reason to me since you want your backs more active receiving the ball in the passing game. But whatever.
 
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explain Toledo, Michigan State and LSU ?
How can you not understand what I said? And why in the world would you choose this moment to stan for the beneficiary of the rigging on a massive scale that we just witnessed? It boggles the mind.

There is absolutely no possibility of proving that Saban could win at Bama without cheating with impunity on a massive scale in recruiting and also having the Birmingham office swing games for him when he needed it. Because there is no record of it ever happening in the history of the world. It has never happened. Never.

QED.

You simply cannot in any manner prove your case because you would need at least one data point of Saban at Alabama without cheating and the refs in his pocket and none exist.
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Now, you might picture for yourself in your imagination that someone who won at Toledo or Michigan St would automatically win at Bama, but that is manifestly ridiculous. I would be embarrassed to have even mentioned that, if I were you, while omitting his NFL gig, where he could not cheat in the draft and didn't have the officials in his back pocket.

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So, the least worst opinion (not a proof) you might advance would be that since Saban won at LSU, we would have won at Bama. Do you really believe that? Do you believe Orgeron or Miles, both of who won titles at LSU, might have immediately switched to Bama and had an epic run? Because your thesis literally generalizes from winning at LSU to a run at Bama as an iron-clad inference. So you are proven wrong again, unless you want to say Saban was just luckier than Orgeron or Miles because there is a direct inference from winning at LSU that would have made those two automatically epic, but they didn't get the chance.

What you would need in the case of Orgeron, or Miles, or cheating Nickie would be an actual instance of one of them winning at Bama without massive cheating with immunity and the SEC officials in their back pocket. But you have no instances to cite in the case of either of these three coaches.

All of your alleged proofs fail.
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I'll throw you a bonus. But please note that nothing you say in retort to the bonus effects the result demonstrated above. That argument has concluded.

Now, everyone who pays attention (which perhaps is a small number) and who does not take their opinions from television (an even smaller number) knows as certainly as something of the sort can be known that Saban knew that if he had beaten Bama two years in a row at LSU he would have been put on probation. (I hope you aren't one of those people who think that the Hugh Freeze takedown was about hoes and not his having beaten AL two years in a row.) (People of that stripe are too gullible to reach.)

So, AL offered Saban all the money in the world to change schools. Saban's choice was to go to Bama, where he knew that if anyone beat him they would be put on probation, and that the officials would rig everything in his favor forever. As opposed to getting hit with probation and prolly sanctioned if he managed to beat Bama again. So he took the sure thing: the doubly-rigged sure thing, and the money, and there was never again a possibility of Saban proving that he could win without cheating on a massive scale with impunity and having the SEC office in his back pocket.

You might recall, in this context, that as soon as Saban was at Bama, an event absolutely without precedent in the history of the championship game took place. LSU beat Bama. But Saban at Bama was put into the championship game, anyway! So he got a second chance. If Bama had won, do you reckon they would have put LSU in the BCS game?

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In sum, Saban has simply never won at Alabama under any conditions other than having carte blanche to cheat with impunity on a massive scale and with the officials in his back pocket. And he has even had the BCS bent to his will in a way without precedent.

You have an opinion about an inference from winning at LSU to winning at Bama that most careful observers of SEC football disagree with. And that requires you defend the view that the same would have held of Miles or Orgeron.

Finally, it's a very peculiar opinion to maintain at this exact moment when everyone in the country just saw the Birmingham officiating crew steal the game from Tennessee.
 
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It's hard to understand you with Saban's running down your chin. How can you not understand what I said? And why in the world would you choose this moment to stan for the beneficiary of the rigging on a massive scale that we just witnessed? It boggles the mind.

There is absolutely no possibility of proving that Saban could win at Bama without cheating with impunity on a massive scale in recruiting and also having the Birmingham office swing games for him when he needed it. Because there is no record of it ever happening in the history of the world. It has never happened. Never.

QED.

You simply cannot in any manner prove your case because you would need at least one data point of Saban at Alabama without cheating and the refs in his pocket and none exist.
----

Now, you might picture for yourself in your imagination that someone who won at Toledo or Michigan St would automatically win at Bama, but that is manifestly ridiculous. I would be embarrassed to have even mentioned that, if I were you, while omitting his NFL gig, where he could not cheat in the draft and didn't have the officials in his back pocket.

---

So, the least worst opinion (not a proof) you might advance would be that since Saban won at LSU, we would have won at Bama. Do you really believe that? Do you believe Orgeron or Miles, both of who won titles at LSU, might have immediately switched to Bama and had an epic run? Because your thesis literally generalizes from winning at LSU to a run at Bama as an iron-clad inference. So you are proven wrong again, unless you want to say Saban was just luckier than Orgeron or Miles because there is a direct inference from winning at LSU that would have made those two automatically epic, but they didn't get the chance.

All of your alleged proofs fail.
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I'll throw you a bonus. But please note that nothing you say in retort to the bonus effects the result demonstrated above that there is no way to prove that Saban could win at AL without massive cheating. That argument has concluded.

Now, everyone who pays attention (which perhaps is a small number) and who does not take their opinions from television (an even smaller number) knows as certainly as something of the sort can be known that Saban knew that if he had beaten Bama two years in a row at LSU he would have been put on probation. (I hope you aren't one of those people who think that the Hugh Freeze takedown was about hoes and not his having beaten AL two years in a row.) (People of that stripe are too gullible to reach.)

So, AL offered Saban all the money in the world to change schools. Saban's choice was to go to Bama, where he knew that if anyone beat him they would be put on probation, and that the officials would rig everything in his favor forever. As opposed to getting hit with probation and prolly sanctioned if he managed to beat Bama again. So he took the sure thing: the doubly-rigged sure thing, and the money, and there was never again a possibility of Saban proving that he could win without cheating on a massive scale with impunity and having the SEC office in his back pocket.

You might recall, in this context, that as soon as Saban was at Bama, an event absolutely without precedent in the history of the championship game took place. LSU beat Bama. But Saban at Bama was put into the championship game, anyway! So he got a second chance. If Bama had won, do you reckon they would have put LSU in the BCS game?

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In sum, Saban has simply never won at Alabama under any conditions other than having carte blanche to cheat with impunity on a massive scale and with the officials in his back pocket. And he has even had the BCS bent to his will in a way without precedent.

You have an opinion about an inference from winning at LSU to winning at Bama that most careful observers of SEC football disagree with. And that requires you defend the view that the same would have held of Miles or Orgeron.

Finally, it's a very peculiar opinion to maintain at this exact moment when everyone in the country just saw the Birmingham officiating crew steal the game from Tennessee.
Bro wrote a novel bcuz someone said Saban is a good coach
 
Bro wrote a novel bcuz someone said Saban is a good coach
False.

Someone denied the thesis that there exists no evidence that Saban can win at Alabama without cheating on a massive scale with impunity and also having the Birmingham officiating crews in his back pocket. But the thesis holds.

Wtf is your problem, bruh? It's ok if you don't understand what I said. But stay true to your own direct experience of how the officials rigged that game. Don't swing to attacking your bros, blaming your team, twisting statements. What is it to you if I offer a reasoned argument, as opposed to a snark?
 
Questionable as the calls may be, I like that Heupel isn't afraid to take chances believing in his guys' to have success. When he has both sides of the ball well recruited, he'll be very successful with that strategy. This offense just isn't good enough to deliver on that belief.
 
Saban is a fraud. He is not a great coach. He is in a great situation where he has made a career of cheating with impunity in recruiting. And having officiating crews cheat for him on the field.

I repeat: There is absolutely no evidence that Saban can win at Bama on any other terms.
Saban is universally considered the greatest coach of all time. Your constant conjecture and whining make you look like a fool. Every program cheats. Every one. And ones who have big time success are just the best at it.

Saban made LSU a National name. He resurrected Bama into the greatest dynasty in college football history. Why you can’t recognize that is sad. Every TN knows Saban is the GOAT. Everyone knows it but you it seems. Take your whine somewhere else.
 
False.

Someone denied the thesis that there exists no evidence that Saban can win at Alabama without cheating on a massive scale with impunity and also having the Birmingham officiating crews in his back pocket. But the thesis holds.

Wtf is your problem, bruh? It's ok if you don't understand what I said. But stay true to your own direct experience of how the officials rigged that game. Don't swing to attacking your bros, blaming your team, twisting statements. What is it to you if I offer a reasoned argument, as opposed to a snark?
Show us the irrefutable proof of his massive cheating then. Not your opinion. Undeniable proof. Let’s see it. Let’s see the proof he cheated on a massive scale at LSU as well.
 
BOT to Copernicus: The sun is "universally considered the greatest" thing to circle the Earth.

I think the most crookedly officiated game ever played Saturday has BOT's blood stirred up. He's going to hop off Kirby's nuts for a sec and go back to his first love: stanning for cheating nickie.
 
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Questionable as the calls may be, I like that Heupel isn't afraid to take chances believing in his guys' to have success. When he has both sides of the ball well recruited, he'll be very successful with that strategy. This offense just isn't good enough to deliver on that belief.
On those 4th downs I believe Hooker last year said the coach makes the call but the QB is responsible for checking out of certain things based on what the defense shows, so that we get those 1st downs.

I just don’t think those checks are happening this year.
 
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On those 4th downs I believe Hooker last year said the coach makes the call but the QB is responsible for checking out of certain things based on what the defense shows, so that we get those 1st downs.

I just don’t think those checks are happening this year.
Didn't matter. Refs would have thrown a flag if we got it or spotted it criminally.
 
Sure. Criticism is certainly ok. I probably phrased that wrong. I'm talking about the ones who are saying things like he's 7 to 10 win coach - the ones that basically are giving up on him. I'm sure there are things coach would like to have back.
Well I had time to think about the game and the calls to go for it on 4th down. CJH saw what was going on from a better view. In my mind really think he knew he had to score as much as possible. The refs were going to do their part to make sure bama got all the breaks. Sure we made enough mistakes but team made enough of their own breaks to overcome themselves. Our defense could have played little better But it's hard to tell when there offense was aloud to hold when ever needed. GBO 💥
 

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