Recruiting Forum Talk XL

[BigZiti09]

Today may end up being the first time in my life I cheer for Florida to win. Need the shine knocked of Kirby and we need that bozo to stay employed at UF another year.

If they end up losing I’m gonna take pleasure in that as well. Win win.

 

[chavisut]

Today may end up being the first time in my life I cheer for Florida to win. Need the shine knocked of Kirby and we need that bozo to stay employed at UF another year.

If they end up losing I’m gonna take pleasure in that as well. Win win.

You'd think 2 division titles in the mighty East would lock him in for a decade.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

Today may end up being the first time in my life I cheer for Florida to win. Need the shine knocked of Kirby and we need that bozo to stay employed at UF another year.

If they end up losing I’m gonna take pleasure in that as well. Win win.

Same with FL.

I won't root for us to lose. I just can't do that. In the moment I will get wrapped up hoping for a win. But if we don't win, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

 

[VolinArizona]

So, it's happening?

(I have no source, but buncha people posting about it across the webz)

 

[BigZiti09]

You'd think 2 division titles in the mighty East would lock him in for a decade.

IF only it was as strong as those big 10 divisions.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Meanwhile we are staring down our fifth losing season in eight years. I don’t think any of the traditionally elite programs have had a stretch like that anytime in the last 50+ years. I went and checked one time and couldn’t find any that have. We all remember Bama being down but it wasn’t like this.

We have really fallen back to the middle of the pack.

Really hope we get this next hire right.

I'm not sure any of the other traditionally top programs were down as long as we have been. If we botch this next hire again I'm not sure this program will ever be truly elite again. We'll be seen as a second tier program from here on out IMO.

 

[chargervol]

I'm the biggest Gruden skeptic there is. For starters, I've never believed he was coming here, and don't believe it now (not even a little bit). Aside from that, I'm not at all convinced he would be a great college coach. So you may be in the minority Nick, but you're not alone.

I think Gruden has an exceptional football mind and would do well.
However, you can count me in with the skeptics. Forget all The insider stuff and the Chinese based betting site that people are referring to as Vegas.

I simply take Gruden at his word when he found out about all the rules and regulations around recruiting. He was adamant about how ridiculous and unattractive the entire thing was.
The only way I can see it happening is if he has decided to hire a staff that can completely deal with the recruiting other than bringing the kids to him to close a deal.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Actually, they were extremely mediocre during UF’s rise under Meyer. Then Jimbo landed Winston. After Winston, not so much.

I wouldn't call what he did before Winston mediocre. He had a 10 win season and a 12 win season with a conference title and an Orange bowl win. He's won 10 or more 6 times already as a head coach along with 2 conference titles and a national. They're having a rough year but he's still one of the top coaches in the game.

 

[Vols4us]

Yeah it has been a really bad stretch for us. I looked at the other SEC powers too.

Bama hasn’t done this since the 1950s

Florida only has one losing season since 1979 (2013) and hasn’t done it since the 1940s.

Auburn since the late 1970s.

Georgia since the early 1960s.

LSU did it in the early 1990s (though it’s debatable that they are a historic power - they’ve had a lot of ugly years)

Anyway - losing these games matters even in a mediocre season. It becomes part of your identity. We identify our program by an eight or so year stretch in the late 1990s/early 2000s. We for some reason ignore the last 15+ years.

Get those facts out of here.

We want to believe the best about UT football as a natural tendency. In reality, we are stinking it up and hiring unqualified coaches to handle the program for a decade now. Many in the media and others outside of Vol fans understand where we are better than we do.

Which points back to the sucky leadership at UT, and yes, certain boosters that control the fortunes of the program are equally responsible. They need to fix it.

 

[butchna]

It's over man. Don't go borrowing trouble.

He’s still not over the Kyrie Irving trade.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

Sometimes I think about how nasty Trey Smith is and it makes me smile.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Lot of articles about Kiffin and Tennessee lately. One from John Jackson a USC broadcaster whose kid is being recruited by us. Jackson pretty much says we should hire Lane and the article is basically a complete rehab of his image that paints him a totally different light. Jackson basically says we need to get over the past and hire him.

Another article features Kiffin talking about the infamous press conference and trying to explain that all he wanted to do was explain to the press here, people that he'd come to know personally, why he was leaving even though he was advised not to by his agent. He said that he thought they deserved an explanation but it all went to hell when he asked that there'd be no cameras and one guy refused (WBIR IIRC).

What those articles tell me is Lane Kiffin is having his agent promote him for this job. Kinda funny that he's begging us to let him return. Whenever Lane grows up he'll be a good HC but I'm still not convinced he's grown up and the temptations that come with a job like UT aren't exactly good for a guy that hasn't grown up.

In all honesty if Tennessee hired him, which they won't, I think he'd win. In his interview on 1045 the other day he pretty much made it obvious that he wanted the Tennessee job.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Sometimes I think about how nasty Trey Smith is and it makes me smile.

Imagine Cade next to him

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I’m in the minority, but given a choice, I’d take Frost over Gruden straight up

Some y’all gon have to deal with it

Frost wouldn't be too far behind for me.

 

[VolGee4]

In all honesty if Tennessee hired him, which they won't, I think he'd win. In his interview on 1045 the other day he pretty much made it obvious that he wanted the Tennessee job.

No thanks. Once a knucklehead, always a knucklehead. The inner core of someone usually doesn't change. You can find a good coach without the extracurricular stuff.

 

[BigZiti09]

We are still paying the price for hiring that clown almost a decade ago. Anyone who suggests that with a straight face should be slapped.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

No thanks. Once a knucklehead, always a knucklehead. The inner core of someone usually doesn't change. You can find a good coach without the extracurricular stuff.

Yeah I'm not saying they should hire him I just think he would probably win. Haven't felt like we've had the consistent advantage coaching wise since the 09 season with Kiffin.

 

[BJHSVol]

I think Kiffin will end up taking a lower-tier P5 school on an Ole Miss type run, but he should never coach here. However good of a coach he is, all the extra stuff surrounding him would never work here

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Compare Harbaugh to Weiss and Smith?

Harbaugh was already successful in ciollege and is doing well at Michigan.

Also, Charlie Weiss wasn't a successful NFL HC.

Harbaugh is struggling in a solid conference in college.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Please. You can't seriously believe they are in same league.

Hoke peaked in year 1 and hit a steep decline winning 8,7, and 5. That's not going to happen under Harbaugh.

But, but, 24-7 or whatever that silly number was that had no context.

You sound like fans defending Butch after Vandy loss last year.

Harbaugh wears his welcome thin at every stop he makes.

 

[InVOLuntary]

There are a few that are loaded on here, but maybe not at his level.

There are a few loaded in other ways too.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

Yeah I'm not saying they should hire him I just think he would probably win. Haven't felt like we've had the consistent advantage coaching wise since the 09 season with Kiffin.

And we hadn't before that for a few years either

 

[BigZiti09]

And we hadn't before that for a few years either

We didn’t when kiffin was here either. We just make excuses for him cause he wasn’t here long enough for the hype to wear off. Had several pros on that team and he turned in a 7 win season. Gave away the UCLA game. Got embarrassed at Ole Miss. Didn’t even show up for our bow game.

People love to talk about what a great coach he is because he can scheme up a bomb for a TD. He fails at pretty much every other category in coaching. Ran off depth, brought the NCAA to town, had kids robbing people on the strip, driving his car into a ditch, etc. But hey, he can scheme up an easy touchdown about every three games for ya.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

I wouldn't call what he did before Winston mediocre. He had a 10 win season and a 12 win season with a conference title and an Orange bowl win. He's won 10 or more 6 times already as a head coach along with 2 conference titles and a national. They're having a rough year but he's still one of the top coaches in the game.

He has won the ACC (which was complete trash aside from Virginia Tech until Clemson stepped up) only three times. With 5th year senior EJ Manual and then in 2013-14 under Winston. Jameis made that man a lot of money.

Aside from that, his defensive coordinator blows and he keeps that clown around.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

Honestly Kiffin is interesting to think about to me. He would have won huge here in my opinion. He did us very wrong though.

I think in an alternate reality where he left Auburn or some place like that instead of us, he would be a realistic candidate in our minds.

It's frustrating because even if he was the right coach, we can't hire him. It's not feasible and would look so desperate on our end.

Can you imagine if we hired him and he struggled? Ugh. That would be a nightmare.

But also imagine if he walked in and explained himself and showed maturity and an understanding of this place that we didn't recognize before... What if he won us back over, snagged a top recruiting class and maybe beat Saban?? Water under the bridge overnight. Would he give us the best chance at that?

Or would we also be a program more famous for gas station robberies than football wins? It's not really been better in that regard under Butch, with the Crowder and AJ Johnson kinda stuff that's been lingering out there constantly over the last couple years. Drama. Maybe that's just college football everywhere.

Louisville managed to talk themselves into a move like this... Are we Louisville? I'd like to think we are more.

But bottom line for me. Win. Bring me somebody that does that. Kiffin is way down the list in my mind. But if all else fails I would rather go that route than hire an unknown that's set up for failure.