Recruiting.

[Chattownsfinest]

So what if Florida is outrecruiting us... they have been doing this for the past 10 years it's nothing new kinda easy when you have one of the best talent bases (if not the best)in the entire nation to cherrypick from. They beat the SEC and ACC champs, we lost to Vanderbilt draw your own conclusions there.

As far as ND what does that have to do w/ anything.. ?? Last time I checked they weren't in the SEC and we don't play them so who cares what they do. As far as Weis yes he is a good coach but people acting like WIllingham couldn't recruit are wrong... all those players that Weis won with last year were players Willingham recruited. And also we will beat ND on two recruits who they want Chris Donald and Harrison Smith..

As far as Warren leaving the state wasn't too much you could do about that. If we won the SEC last year I doubt he would've been a vol. CJ Spiller who was the top RB in Florida last year went to Clemson instead of FSU so I guess FSU's recruiting is in trouble right ?? :birgits_giggle:

 

[Chattownsfinest]

alright I take that back... you're not an idiot you just have an idiotic thought process.. that better GA?

 

[smokedog#3]

What are you going to do if the kid has always been a Florida St. fan, and he's hell-bent on becoming a Seminole. It's no fun to let him leave the state, but we can't make him go to Tennessee. All you can ask is that our coaches do their best to recruit the kid, and I think we did that with Warren. Actually, you can also ask that the home team wins more than 5 games and beat Vanderbilt if it wants to keep the state's best player, but we didn't quite get that done.

i agree

So what if Florida is outrecruiting us... they have been doing this for the past 10 years it's nothing new kinda easy when you have one of the best talent bases (if not the best)in the entire nation to cherrypick from. They beat the SEC and ACC champs, we lost to Vanderbilt draw your own conclusions there.

As far as ND what does that have to do w/ anything.. ?? Last time I checked they weren't in the SEC and we don't play them so who cares what they do. As far as Weis yes he is a good coach but people acting like WIllingham couldn't recruit are wrong... all those players that Weis won with last year were players Willingham recruited. And also we will beat ND on two recruits who they want Chris Donald and Harrison Smith..

As far as Warren leaving the state wasn't too much you could do about that. If we won the SEC last year I doubt he would've been a vol. CJ Spiller who was the top RB in Florida last year went to Clemson instead of FSU so I guess FSU's recruiting is in trouble right ?? :birgits_giggle:

florida schools can give away a few kids, there stacked with talent. tennessee isn't. you made no sense. :bad:

 

[therickbol]

You just made a similar point to what I was going to say about the Warren situation. His location was meaningless. If UTK had won the NC his senior year in HS he still would have been a FSU Seminole. He grew up a huge FSU fan. So what does where he lives have to do with anything? I grew up a huge Chicago Cubs fan and I have never been to Chicago.

And, I wonder if Smokedog understand that Rivals is NOWHERE NEAR finished ranking recruits for next years classes. He keeps talking about 'if we keep signing 1 and 2 star players' yadda yadda yadda. Ummm....A.) rivals hasnt ranked anybody outside of 250, and B.) those rankings will be adjusted countless times before the final tally on the recruiting classes are finished next season. Every recruit who has commited to UTK so far will be at the very least a 3-star. And, I guarantee you a couple will end up with 4-stars and we already have one 4-star. Add to that we are still in the top 5 for many 4 AND 5 star recruits still available.

Look at talent in the state of Florida and you explain to me how UTK "should" be able to outrecruit them? We shouldn't. But, there are two important things to remember about that. First, we have outrecruited them before. A number of times. And secondly, the best recruits don't automatically beat teams with worse recruiting classes. (I think UTK is an obvious example of that&#33. So, I dont see your points carrying to much weight. The only way your points warrant any merit is if we come out and are as poorly coached next season and have another horrible season. Then it will be obvious that nothing is imporving and changes should be called for. But, you are jumping the gun and you ASS-U-ME before the summer is even over that next year will be just as bad as last year. BE PATIENT and see how the season progresses. Geez louise!

 

[jwells]

i agree
florida schools can give away a few kids, there stacked with talent. tennessee isn't. you made no sense. :bad:

You talk as if in-state schools have a right to in-state talent. Doesn't matter to you that kids have different favorite teams, and if that team offers..you go.

Students fall in love with schools sometimes, and there's not much you can do to keep them. Warren alllmost came here, even though he knew his heart was pulling him to FSU. That says a lot about our pull with in-state talent, to me. Even though he really wanted FSU, he thought he might ought to go to UT.

Every school loses instate talent from time-to-time. What about when Florida loses talent to Miami or FSU? Isn't that the same as losing instate talent to Oregon State or somewhere way off? We pull a lot of kids from Florida and California. There are a TOOOON of top tier teams in those states, but somehow we still get the kids in. If we can pull that many from those states, I'll take a loss on a kid or two from around here. We can afford to give away a few kids, as you put it, as long as we keep recruiting from around the nation.

 

[smokedog#3]

top ten recruiting almost year in year out.

Texas NC last year, been to some BCS bowls
ohio state BCS bowls almost every year since changing coaches.
florida new coach have to wait and see
florida st BCS bowls nearly every year
Georgia also has alot of BCS games
tennessee no BCS since 99
USC i won't even go there
ND up and coming
miami played for title BCS games
lsu BCS games

take a look at where the teams get there talent. ND and georgia are the only two that go out of there state to get the most players. tennessee has nowhere near the talent base as the other schools. according to rivals we have one top 250 player that doesn't make me feel to good. go to the other schools list of verbals and tell me you don't see a problem. if you don't you are blind. it is early, but it does not look good. the other teams i listed up there with tennessee are getting the job done on the field and off. we are doing neither, but it is still early.

 

[GAVol]

It's June. :wacko:

 

[utvolpj]

The reason they love the orange is because the orange won. If UT continues to win 5 or 6 games with local kids who bleed orange, less kids will bleed orange. See the cycle?

Absolutely false. Is that the only reason you like UT?

 

[VolinArizona]

Absolutely false. Is that the only reason you like UT?

I love UT because I grew up here and attended to the school. I love nothing more than the Orange. However, with the kids in the greater Knoxville area, we'll be just like Kentucky.

 

[jwells]

top ten recruiting almost year in year out.

Texas NC last year, been to some BCS bowls
ohio state BCS bowls almost every year since changing coaches.
florida new coach have to wait and see
florida st BCS bowls nearly every year
Georgia also has alot of BCS games
tennessee no BCS since 99
USC i won't even go there
ND up and coming
miami played for title BCS games
lsu BCS games

take a look at where the teams get there talent. ND and georgia are the only two that go out of there state to get the most players. tennessee has nowhere near the talent base as the other schools. according to rivals we have one top 250 player that doesn't make me feel to good. go to the other schools list of verbals and tell me you don't see a problem. if you don't you are blind. it is early, but it does not look good. the other teams i listed up there with tennessee are getting the job done on the field and off. we are doing neither, but it is still early.

Georgia - 2 BCS games. went 1-1
Texas - 2 BCS games. went 2-0
OSU - 4 BCS games. went 4-0
Florida - 3 BCS games. went 2-1
FSU - 6 times in what was a VERY weak ACC - went 1-5
Tennessee - 2 BCS games - went 1-1
Southern Cal - 4 BCS games - went 4-0
Notre Dame - 1 BCS game went 0-1
Miami - 4 BCS games - went 2-1
LSU - 2 BCS games - went 2-0

So..UT has had as many BCS games as Texas, Georgia, and LSU...more than notredame. We have a Nat'l Title, as do LSU and Texas. UGA Has no title. FSU who always gets in the BCS can't seem to ever win...

The sky, as you can see, is not falling. Sure we haven't been there as much recently..but we've been there. 99% of schools have not. I think your methods of pulling "facts" out of thin air are a bit flawed. :dunno:

 

[OWB]

We're doomed jwells, run for your life..

 

[GAVol]

I think your methods of pulling "facts" out of thin air are a bit flawed. :dunno:

...and the award for Tactful Understatement of the Year goes to . . .

 

[smokedog#3]

Georgia - 2 BCS games. went 1-1
Texas - 2 BCS games. went 2-0
OSU - 4 BCS games. went 4-0
Florida - 3 BCS games. went 2-1
FSU - 6 times in what was a VERY weak ACC - went 1-5
Tennessee - 2 BCS games - went 1-1
Southern Cal - 4 BCS games - went 4-0
Notre Dame - 1 BCS game went 0-1
Miami - 4 BCS games - went 2-1
LSU - 2 BCS games - went 2-0

So..UT has had as many BCS games as Texas, Georgia, and LSU...more than notredame. We have a Nat'l Title, as do LSU and Texas. UGA Has no title. FSU who always gets in the BCS can't seem to ever win...

The sky, as you can see, is not falling. Sure we haven't been there as much recently..but we've been there. 99% of schools have not. I think your methods of pulling "facts" out of thin air are a bit flawed. :dunno:

not in the last 7 years or so. these are the hot teams that don't have to worry about recruiting. these are the elite we are not. in the late 90's we were there. the only difference is these teams show no signs of slowing down, we already have. you can say what you want about FSU they made tons more money than UT did and got alot more time on national TV. these are facts we are looking up at these teams and two happen to be in our conference. alot of you, let your love for UT get in your way of seeing reality. we could be some better this year, but i wouldn't bet on it. a average year and we should bid fulmer a fond farewell. :bad:

 

[statman]

recruiting is the last thing on my mind right now im more interested in summer
workouts is ange working on timming with the recivers,are the o-lineman running
and getting to shape what is the attendance in the weight room and film room.
is our new front seven on defence getting mentaly prepared for a tough sec
season.and finally are we going to knock the snot out of some one on kick returns!!!!


ITS TIME TO COME TOGETHER VOLNATION!! ITS ALMOST FOOTBALL TIME IN TENNESSEE

 

[smokedog#3]

recruiting is the last thing on my mind right now im more interested in summer
workouts is ange working on timming with the recivers,are the o-lineman running
and getting to shape what is the attendance in the weight room and film room.
is our new front seven on defence getting mentaly prepared for a tough sec
season.and finally are we going to knock the snot out of some one on kick returns!!!!
ITS TIME TO COME TOGETHER VOLNATION!! ITS ALMOST FOOTBALL TIME IN TENNESSEE

roger that statman, i might be alittle negative, but i'm with you. :dance2:

 

[VolinArizona]

Georgia - 2 BCS games. went 1-1
Texas - 2 BCS games. went 2-0
OSU - 4 BCS games. went 4-0
Florida - 3 BCS games. went 2-1
FSU - 6 times in what was a VERY weak ACC - went 1-5
Tennessee - 2 BCS games - went 1-1
Southern Cal - 4 BCS games - went 4-0
Notre Dame - 1 BCS game went 0-1
Miami - 4 BCS games - went 2-1
LSU - 2 BCS games - went 2-0

So..UT has had as many BCS games as Texas, Georgia, and LSU...more than notredame. We have a Nat'l Title, as do LSU and Texas. UGA Has no title. FSU who always gets in the BCS can't seem to ever win...

The sky, as you can see, is not falling. Sure we haven't been there as much recently..but we've been there. 99% of schools have not. I think your methods of pulling "facts" out of thin air are a bit flawed. :dunno:

I'm sorry, but this means absolutely nothing. I want to say so many things, but I'll find nice ways to say them.

The above "statistical analysis" (note the quotes) is so farsighted it's incredible. We haven't been to a BCS bowl in 6 years. SIX YEARS. SIX FREAKING YEARS. Every other team listed has been in a BCS bowl in the last 4 years.

I think your methods of pulling "facts" out of thin air are a bit flawed. :chair:

 

[GAVol]

I think your methods of pulling "facts" out of thin air are a bit flawed. :chair:

Where's the flaw? He presented a factual arugment. Maybe it's valid, maybe it's not, but the facts are most definitely not "out of thin air".

 

[VolinArizona]

Where's the flaw? He presented a factual arugment. Maybe it's valid, maybe it's not, but the facts are most definitely not "out of thin air".

That was a joke in response to the last line of his post.

His stats are true facts, but they are misleading, as I discussed.

 

[VolinArizona]

I would also like to point out that Miami's current situation is not as peachy as it was in 2002.

 

[GAVol]

That was a joke in response to the last line of his post.

His stats are true facts, but they are misleading, as I discussed.

Oh . . . Sorry . . . I got bored and didn't make it that far. :biggrin2:

 

[smokedog#3]

That was a joke in response to the last line of his post.

His stats are true facts, but they are misleading, as I discussed.

over the past 7 years where is it misleading. and take a good look most of the elite teams have new coaches. it's common sense.

 

[VolinArizona]

over the past 7 years where is it misleading. and take a good look most of the elite teams have new coaches. it's common sense.

Is your comprehension that bad?

I was replying to jwells, disputing his discussion. Please get better at this.

 

[GAVol]

and take a good look most of the elite teams have new coaches.

What do you consider "new"? Everybody I saw in the top 5 last year had head coaches with 5+ years of experience at the school.

 

[smokedog#3]

What do you consider "new"? Everybody I saw in the top 5 last year had head coaches with 5+ years of experience at the school.

go back another 2 years and tell me what you find. almost all have new coaches, that was the way i was looking at it. sort of like the time we started to fall off the other teams made changes to get better.

 

[VolinArizona]

go back another 2 years and tell me what you find. almost all have new coaches, that was the way i was looking at it. sort of like the time we started to fall off the other teams made changes to get better.

Having a coach for 5 years doesn't constitute new.