Recruiting.

#76
#76
Richt is going into his 6th season (not new)
Brown is going into his 9th season (not new)
Tressel is going into his 6th season (not new)
Meyer is going into his 2nd season (new)
Bowden is going into his 31st season (not new)
Fulmer is going into his 15th season (not new)
Carroll is going into his 6th season (not new)
Weis is going into his 2nd season (new)
Coker is going into his 6th season (not new)
Miles is going into his 2nd season (new)

So, are you sure they are new coaches?
 
#77
#77
(VolinArizona @ Jul 1 said:
Having a coach for 5 years doesn't constitue new.
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true, what i was trying to say is it took a new coach to get them back on top. cooper gone tressel in, i don't know who was there before brown and carrol but they were canned and new coaches were hired. donnan out richt in, can't give miles credit yet because he had a stacked team when he got there, but same difference gerry out nick in boom instant success. out of those 10 only 2 miami, FSU, coaching changes were not needed. it shows you what a change can do to your program. here in tennessee we just don't seem to grasp how to stay on top.
 
#78
#78
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
true, what i was trying to say is it took a new coach to get them back on top. cooper gone tressel in, i don't know who was there before brown and carrol but they were canned and new coaches were hired. donnan out richt in, can't give miles credit yet because he had a stacked team when he got there, but same difference gerry out nick in boom instant success. out of those 10 only 2 miami, FSU, coaching changes were not needed. it shows you what a change can do to your program. here in tennessee we just don't seem to grasp how to stay on top.
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So how old are you?
 
#79
#79
(VolinArizona @ Jul 1 said:
Richt is going into his 6th season (not new)
Brown is going into his 9th season (not new)
Tressel is going into his 6th season (not new)
Meyer is going into his 2nd season (new)
Bowden is going into his 31st season (not new)
Fulmer is going into his 15th season (not new)
Carroll is going into his 6th season (not new)
Weis is going into his 2nd season (new)
Coker is going into his 6th season (not new)
Miles is going into his 2nd season (new)

So, are you sure they are new coaches?
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look when most of those coaches were hired within 7 years or when we started to fall off. that seems alittle strange. :bad:
 
#81
#81
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
look when most of those coaches were hired within 7 years or when we started to fall off. that seems alittle strange. :bad:
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oh my god so its not fumers fault its other schools for hiring new coaches!!! :dunno:
 
#83
#83
(vols kick balls @ Jul 1 said:
oh my god so its not fumers fault its other schools for hiring new coaches!!! :dunno:
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true, talent in our division with georgia and lsu getting alot better has caused our lame offense not to work if you want to look at it like that. it is still fulmers fault, not all but most. the fact is when they recruit players they perform ours don't either because we have a lame offense or our players don't develop, either way it falls back on the top man that should have all the answers instead of excuses.
 
#84
#84
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
i'll tell you if you tell me, how that matters in this discussion.
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It matters for a lot of reasons.

A) You don't remember a lot from more than 7 years ago.

B ) You make claims that aren't true

Example: LSU went 8-4, 10-3, 8-5 in Saban's first 3 years. Solid years there, but a lot like Tennessee's 2002-2004 years. Is that "instant success"? Not reallllllllllly.
 
#86
#86
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
true, talent in our division with georgia and lsu getting alot better has caused our lame offense not to work if you want to look at it like that. it is still fulmers fault, not all but most. the fact is when they recruit players they perform ours don't either because we have a lame offense or our players don't develop, either way it falls back on the top man that should have all the answers instead of excuses.
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Not that I disagree with everything you said, but no coach, NONE, have ALL the answers.
 
#87
#87
(VolinArizona @ Jul 1 said:
It matters for a lot of reasons.

A) You don't remember a lot from more than 7 years ago.

B ) You make claims that aren't true

Example: LSU went 8-4, 10-3, 8-5 in Saban's first 3 years. Solid years there, but a lot like Tennessee's 2002-2004 years. Is that "instant success"? Not reallllllllllly.
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that is true. it took nick awhile, he needed to get his players in alot like what is happening in florida. nick had a new team with lesser talent what happened after acouple of recruiting seasons NC. take alook at fulmers run the first 3 years can't really complain has to get his guys in. once he did NC. the other teams have passed him by though for one reason or another fulmer was not able to keep us at the top.
 
#88
#88
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
true, talent in our division with georgia and lsu getting alot better has caused our lame offense not to work if you want to look at it like that. it is still fulmers fault, not all but most. the fact is when they recruit players they perform ours don't either because we have a lame offense or our players don't develop, either way it falls back on the top man that should have all the answers instead of excuses.
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#89
#89
(VolinArizona @ Jul 1 said:
Not that I disagree with everything you said, but no coach, NONE, have ALL the answers.
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true i agree, but nick saben seemed to be the closest i remember. he was scary. come on arizona you have to admit fulmer saying execution was the problem after every game was lame. especially when the play calling wasn't very good and the players seemed to lose faith in him.
 
#90
#90
Nick Saban's first three years are particularly bad comparisons with Tennessee's stretch of 2002-2004, he replaced Gerry Dinardo and LSU had losing seasons 8 of the previous 11 years. The period you cite may be similar to TN but not comparable.
 
#91
#91
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
true i agree, but nick saben seemed to be the closest i remember. he was scary. come on arizona you have to admit fulmer saying execution was the problem after every game was lame. especially when the play calling wasn't very good and the players seemed to lose faith in him.
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Listen, the program had a very bad season in 2005. Phil pulled the trigger on getting a new OC, albeit a little late. We have had ONE bad season in the '00s, and 2 decent ones. The other 2 were good. Calling for his head at this very moment, in my mind, is ridiculous. If 2006 goes the route of 2005 or 2002, I'm down with talking about it.

However, Tennessee, minus 2005, has been on or near the top in the SEC East. Do not think that is me saying winning the SEC East should be our goal. However, we've been as good or better in terms of wins as Florida in the '00s. Georgia has our number, but only has 1 SEC championship to show.

2005 STUNK. STUUUUUNK!

Being 33-17 in the last 4 years isn't good.

But Fulmer has the HISTORY to have a season to turn it around. This is not me saying "He's the winningest blah blah." I'm saying his productive history allows for him to have an opportunity to fix his mistakes.
 
#92
#92
(volinasheville @ Jul 1 said:
Nick Saban's first three years are particularly bad comparisons with Tennessee's stretch of 2002-2004, he replaced Gerry Dinardo and LSU had losing seasons 8 of the previous 11 years. The period you cite may be similar to TN but not comparable.
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similiar is probably a stronger word than comparable. They are pretty much similiar and comparable to each other's meanings.
 
#93
#93
(VolinArizona @ Jul 1 said:
Listen, the program had a very bad season in 2005. Phil pulled the trigger on getting a new OC, albeit a little late. We have had ONE bad season in the '00s, and 2 decent ones. The other 2 were good. Calling for his head at this very moment, in my mind, is ridiculous. If 2006 goes the route of 2005 or 2002, I'm down with talking about it.

However, Tennessee, minus 2005, has been on or near the top in the SEC East. Do not think that is me saying winning the SEC East should be our goal. However, we've been as good or better in terms of wins as Florida in the '00s. Georgia has our number, but only has 1 SEC championship to show.

2005 STUNK. STUUUUUNK!

Being 33-17 in the last 4 years isn't good.

But Fulmer has the HISTORY to have a season to turn it around. This is not me saying "He's the winningest blah blah." I'm saying his productive history allows for him to have an opportunity to fix his mistakes.
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i can agree with some of that but it's not last season at all that has me down it is the fact that he hasn't won the sec since 98. fulmer states every year that winning the SEC not the EAST but the SEC is Tennessee's goal. well so far in almost a decade he hasn't accomplished his goals, but has got payraises and extensions. you have to admit that it doesn't look like they will accomplish it this year either. most of the fans that complain about fulmer this is there reason. i'm just wondering how long hamilton will stand around and not watch us win the SEC. sadly i have more faith in hamilton than i do in fulmer. i don't want to see improvement this is tennessee football we reload not rebuild, well atleast that is the way it used to be.
 
#94
#94
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
i can agree with some of that but it's not last season at all that has me down it is the fact that he hasn't won the sec since 98. fulmer states every year that winning the SEC not the EAST but the SEC is Tennessee's goal. well so far in almost a decade he hasn't accomplished his goals, but has got payraises and extensions. you have to admit that it doesn't look like they will accomplish it this year either. most of the fans that complain about fulmer this is there reason. i'm just wondering how long hamilton will stand around and not watch us win the SEC. sadly i have more faith in hamilton than i do in fulmer. i don't want to see improvement this is tennessee football we reload not rebuild, well atleast that is the way it used to be.
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Actually, I do think Tennessee will play in the SECCG, as does the best and most accurate predictor in the states. Getting to the game will be the hardest part, because anything can happen in ONE championship game. Remember, UGA has 1 SEC title in 7 years, Florida hasssss either 0 or 1 since 1998. Fulmer getting raises is ridiculous, but Fulmer didn't offer the raises, did he? Nope.
 
#95
#95
(VolinArizona @ Jul 1 said:
Actually, I do think Tennessee will play in the SECCG, as does the best and most accurate predictor in the states. Getting to the game will be the hardest part, because anything can happen in ONE championship game. Remember, UGA has 1 SEC title in 7 years, Florida hasssss either 0 or 1 since 1998. Fulmer getting raises is ridiculous, but Fulmer didn't offer the raises, did he? Nope.
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thats true but he sure took them, and with more money comes more expectations. he also hired a agent on the last raise, i'll admit that soured me on fulmer. a guy who bleeds orange doing something like that, i fell off the fulmerite list right there. :banghead:
 
#96
#96
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
thats true but he sure took them, and with more money comes more expectations. he also hired a agent on the last raise, i'll admit that soured me on fulmer. a guy who bleeds orange doing something like that, i fell off the fulmerite list right there. :banghead:
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What do you do for a living?
 
#98
#98
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
robotic maintenance.
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I'm sure if you were offered a raise, you'd take it. And so would 99.9% of this board. :D

Anyway, we're a little off topic.

Recruiting is directly correlated to previous season record. If we win 10 or 11 games, you'll see another top 10 class from our staff.
 
#99
#99
(VolinArizona @ Jul 1 said:
I'm sure if you were offered a raise, you'd take it. And so would 99.9% of this board. :D

Anyway, we're a little off topic.

Recruiting is directly correlated to previous season record. If we win 10 or 11 games, you'll see another top 10 class from our staff.
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i agree with the first part, i would. i think to draw offensive recruits to tennessee we need to have a explosive offense. kids don't care to much about winning 10 games and going to the peach bowl. if you are putting up 40 points a game they stand up and listen.
 
#100
#100
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 1 said:
i agree with the first part, i would. i think to draw offensive recruits to tennessee we need to have a explosive offense. kids don't care to much about winning 10 games and going to the peach bowl. if you are putting up 40 points a game they stand up and listen.
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Our post 2004 class was a top 5 class. We won 10 games.
 
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