Reid Suggests Romney Paid No Taxes for 10 Years

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lawgator1 said:
If you are consprii.... let's just call it "working together" to find ways to shield a 583,000 percent return on investment by use of the IRA mechanism, I'll just say I don't find it terribly hard to believe that they talked about other ways to avoid paying taxes.

Also, as an aside, its not like this is the head of Ford coming down and talking with salespeople about his tax strategy. This was a tiny business of very well educated people making deals and engaging in some, shall we say, dubious, tax schemes.
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"Working together" :lolabove::lolabove:

More likely it was a financial advisor (like we have) who said hey guys you can do this to help your tax situation. It's an industry all to itself and you don't have to be rich to get finacial advice.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If you are consprii.... let's just call it "working together" to find ways to shield a 583,000 percent return on investment by use of the IRA mechanism, I'll just say I don't find it terribly hard to believe that they talked about other ways to avoid paying taxes.

Also, as an aside, its not like this is the head of Ford coming down and talking with salespeople about his tax strategy. This was a tiny business of very well educated people making deals and engaging in some, shall we say, dubious, tax schemes.
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Romney has been running for POTUS since 2007, don't you think that in all that time, the IRS would have audited him had they thought that something was amiss?

Compare this to your dismissal of tax dodging by Warren Buffett and members of Obama's own administration. With Romney, there is zero indication of illegal activity, with Buffett et al you look the other way and yell, "squirrel!!!". It's pathetic.
 
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MG1968 said:
Romney has been running for POTUS since 2007, don't you think that in all that time, the IRS would have audited him had they thought that something was amiss?

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They might have.

That would be in his tax records......
 
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lawgator1 said:
They might have.

That would be in his tax records......
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unlikely, since the current administration has trouble with leaking sensitive information, an audit of Romney would have been on the front page of the NYT the moment it was initiated
 
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lawgator1 said:
Still three months to go.
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I noticed you had no reply to my comment that you had no comment regarding the tax dodging by Warren Buffet and members of the Obama administration.

I'm also curious to know what reasons you have for voting for Obama this time around. Feel free to start yet another thread as I'm sure we're all curious to know.
 
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hog88 said:
He gets what, please tell??
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This is a political game in an election year. You have a retarded electorate. Obama knows this is all about image and they are running circles around the Romney campaign.

Why shouldn't he release them? He is getting killed in the court of public opinion over it. If there really isn't anything very different from the two he released, his campaign advisers are morons.

Should tax returns matter? No. However, that point which most of you are arguing in vein for is irrelevant. This is campaign politics in America. Only image matters. Most of you fail to see that distinction. There is a reason his own party and base is telling him he ought to go ahead and release them if there is nothing politically catastrophic on them.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
This is a political game in an election year. You have a retarded electorate. Obama knows this is all about image and they are running circles around the Romney campaign.

Why shouldn't he release them? He is getting killed in the court of public opinion over it. If there really isn't anything very different from the two he released, his campaign advisers are morons.

Should tax returns matter? No. However, that point which most of you are arguing in vein for is irrelevant. This is campaign politics in America. Only image matters. Most of you fail to see that distinction. There is a reason his own party and base is telling him he ought to go ahead and release them if there is nothing politically catastrophic on them.
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What is your source on this statement?
 
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so you point me to your posts on an internet blog as your source? ugh... OK Harry I get it.
 
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MG1968 said:
I'm also curious to know what reasons you have for voting for Obama this time around. Feel free to start yet another thread as I'm sure we're all curious to know.
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Complicated answer, and it has not all gelled, I'll do my best to sum up my feelings on the election and how to vote:

1) I am not an enthusiastic Obama supporter. It may seem like that in the relative context of this forum, but in more neutral corners I'm not going to be viewed as particularly pro-Obama.

a) I do think the ACA is overall a step in an inevitable direction regarding health care. I do resent some of what I consider to be the irrational arguments advance by the GOP to try to undermine it, most of which are fear-based and supplied to them by business interests who feel threatened by the act. That has led to a lot of misunderstanding about the act and what it does, and does not do. I think its a real shame that the tactics used by the GOP have muddled the issues and confused people because it is long-term a discussion we really need to have in this country.

b) I recognize that Obama is as much a politician as anyone in that position, including the fact that he often times acts out of political self interest, and the interests of others. Solyndra blows and is symptomatic of what is wrong with the relationship between money and politics in this country.

c) I do think he wants to cut the deficit and would include spending cuts to get there, even painful ones, but I appreciate his sense that balancing the budget has to result in shared pain and it is truly the case hat the very top have done well in this economy of the last 20 years, corporations are making record profits, but the economic engine of the middle class has been shat upon and should be protected, even buoyed, moving forward.

d) I think he has done a pretty good job in terms of foreign policy. OBL, etc.

e) I'd like to see him approve the pipeline. That has less to do with it actually making much difference -- I have my doubts -- and more to do with creating sense that he's in favor of growth and business-friendly decisions.


Overall, I think he's done a pretty good job in tough economic times. I just wish he would concede on some of the easier points.


2) I cannot vote for Romney right now.

a) His flip flopping is maddening, especially because he does it so unabashedly. The interview where he actually said he was taking credit for the auto bailout -- when he had said the exact damn opposite -- was particularly disheartening to me because it tells me he has no backbone, really at all.

b) The tax return issue is a problem, not because I think he did anything "wrong," but because his failure to have considered it a problem years ago that he could fix suggests a real arrogance to what that says to the rest of the country. I actually think that is the thing that pisses off the GOP commentators right now: how could he not have seen this coming?

c) Romney has done nothing to convince me that he sees the world in anything other than purely profit maximizing terms. While I agree that the economy is stuck in neutral right now and could be a lot better, I look for more in my POTUS than a businessman.



Overall, if the election were held tomorrow, I'd be voting for Obama or not at all. Probably vote for Obama. There is no way, at this point, I could convince myself to vote for Romney. There's just nothing there.
 
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