Religion/Bible/Theology Topic - Beware All Ye That Enter Here

#51
#51
Time frames mean nothing to me and my understanding of God. Those that want to argue the legitimacy of God and the Bible (those on both sides of the argument) using 10,000 years as opposed to 100,000 or 100,000,000 are missing the true point IMO.
 
#53
#53
IPorange said:
No worries man, I wasn't trying to say you did say that. I was corrected the first time.

As far as inaccuracies, it is something one has to always look out for and account for. Even still, contamination almost always makes things look younger, not the other way around. Things like roots, peat that leached down or bioturbation, or just any piece of charcoal or ash that works it's way down in the soil and contaminated a sample would make it look much younger. There isn't much that can happen to make something look older, because it is the newer stuff that is more likely to be mobile.
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For some reason, this makes me want to slap you.

Do you get out much?

Or do you watch worms in dirt all day long?????

You know, after the hail satan and switch hitting orgy stuff.
 
#55
#55
OrangeEmpire said:
For some reason, this makes me want to slap you.

Do you get out much?

Or do you watch worms in dirt all day long?????

You know, after the hail satan and switch hitting orgy stuff.
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I don't get out as much as I would like. Those orgies can really kill a weekend.
 
#56
#56
IPorange said:
No worries man, I wasn't trying to say you did say that. I was corrected the first time.

As far as inaccuracies, it is something one has to always look out for and account for. Even still, contamination almost always makes things look younger, not the other way around. Things like roots, peat that leached down or bioturbation, or just any piece of charcoal or ash that works it's way down in the soil and contaminated a sample would make it look much younger. There isn't much that can happen to make something look older, because it is the newer stuff that is more likely to be mobile.
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I was trying to reply to droski. Not sure why it replied to your post
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#58
#58
IPorange said:
I don't get out as much as I would like. Those orgies can really kill a weekend.
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You know the more we are talking about it the more I have thought about it.

One should always try something at least once.

Would I have to denounce my faith to get in on one of these orgies?
 
#60
#60
KB5252 said:
Time frames mean nothing to me and my understanding of God. Those that want to argue the legitimacy of God and the Bible (those on both sides of the argument) using 10,000 years as opposed to 100,000 or 100,000,000 are missing the true point IMO.
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it depends if you truly believe 100% of what is said in the bible is 100% historically accurate. i can totaly understand a christian who finds the bible a useful tool.
 
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droski said:
it depends if you truly believe 100% of what is said in the bible is 100% historically accurate. i can totaly understand a christian who finds the bible a useful tool.
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For the sake of asking, throw out Genesis, what is historically inaccurate?
 
#62
#62
IPorange said:
What evidence of his existence has he given you?
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I think we went through all of this a few months ago. If I can find the thread later, I'll post a link to it. I call it evidence, you might not agree, but it includes things like the statistics of the likelihood of a single DNA strand, with it's proper chirality (left-handed, right-handedness) to develop "by chance", the statistics of the likelihood of a planet with the perfect location and conditions for life just to "happen", the abundance of fulfilled prophecy in the scriptures, the fact that archaeology continues to uncover ruins that prove said scriptures geographic accuracy and thus the authors veracity, etc, etc.

My experience is not unique. There are many deep thinkers and scientists who have reached the same conclusion and have written some good books documenting the thought processes that led to their conclusions. Guys like Josh McDowell, Ralph Muncaster, Ravi Zacharias and others.
 
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J-P said:
I think we went through all of this a few months ago. If I can find the thread later, I'll post a link to it. I call it evidence, you might not agree, but it includes things like the statistics of the likelihood of a single DNA strand, with it's proper chirality (left-handed, right-handedness) to develop "by chance", the statistics of the likelihood of a planet with the perfect location and conditions for life just to "happen", the abundance of fulfilled prophecy in the scriptures, the fact that archaeology continues to uncover ruins that prove said scriptures geographic accuracy and thus the authors veracity, etc, etc.

My experience is not unique. There are many deep thinkers and scientists who have reached the same conclusion and have written some good books documenting the thought processes that led to their conclusions. Guys like Josh McDowell, Ralph Muncaster, Ravi Zacharias and others.
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+1

:hi:

One of the off the wall things I have is the formation of Israel. Don't care what you think. It was impossible and the wars that followed were impossible to win.

:dunno:
 
#65
#65
KB5252 said:
Time frames mean nothing to me and my understanding of God. Those that want to argue the legitimacy of God and the Bible (those on both sides of the argument) using 10,000 years as opposed to 100,000 or 100,000,000 are missing the true point IMO.
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I think it hits on a central point.

Any body that believes the earth was created in the year 8010 b.c. (making the earth 10,000 years old) is saying a lot about how they weigh observable evidence against religious faith.

All this nonsense about questioning the dating techniques is just noise. We can say with absolute certainty from multiple dating techniques the earth is billions, not thousands, of years old.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think it hits on a central point.

Any body that believes the earth was created in the year 8010 b.c. (making the earth 10,000 years old) is saying a lot about how they weigh observable evidence against religious faith.

All this nonsense about questioning the dating techniques is just noise. We can say with absolute certainty from multiple dating techniques the earth is billions, not thousands, of years old.
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So, why can't the earth be billions of years old?

I have never understood this from a christian stand point.

Why does it even matter?

Of course, I buy a lot in the Matrix/Bible stuff.
 
#68
#68
OrangeEmpire said:
So, why can't the earth be billions of years old?

I have never understood this from a christian stand point.

Why does it even matter?

Of course, I buy a lot in the Matrix/Bible stuff.
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I couldn't care less if someone wants to believe the earth was created yesterday.

My point is people accepting impossible explanations on one subject (ie...the age of the earth) because they have accepted a premise on another (ie...believing the Bible is the word of God) is intellectually dishonest at best, and patently absurd at worst.

JMO though. If people want to believe man was created out of dust and divine breath in a garden with a talking snake in a single act of creation 10,000 years ago...well...more power to them.
 
#69
#69
OrangeEmpire said:
So, why can't the earth be billions of years old?

I have never understood this from a christian stand point.

Why does it even matter?

Of course, I buy a lot in the Matrix/Bible stuff.
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it matters because the bible says 10,000 years ago that god created everything in a week.
 
#70
#70
J-P said:
I think we went through all of this a few months ago. If I can find the thread later, I'll post a link to it. I call it evidence, you might not agree, but it includes things like the statistics of the likelihood of a single DNA strand, with it's proper chirality (left-handed, right-handedness) to develop "by chance", the statistics of the likelihood of a planet with the perfect location and conditions for life just to "happen", the abundance of fulfilled prophecy in the scriptures, the fact that archaeology continues to uncover ruins that prove said scriptures geographic accuracy and thus the authors veracity, etc, etc.

My experience is not unique. There are many deep thinkers and scientists who have reached the same conclusion and have written some good books documenting the thought processes that led to their conclusions. Guys like Josh McDowell, Ralph Muncaster, Ravi Zacharias and others.
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Who said DNA developed by chance? Evolutionary processes are a system, not chance. That's like saying what is the chance of a water droplet ending up in the sky, and ignoring the hydrologic cycle.
 
#71
#71
Whether or not you believe in God, here's something maybe we can agree on. Time has large influence on our lives.

ex. As time passes in a normal lifespan, we are born, we live, we grow stronger, we peak, then we grow older and then we die. On the scale of things in control, time is above us. It has a lot of control in our lives.

The Bible says "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." Which is why I believe that on the scale of things in control, God is above time. Where else could He be? :) I don't think time as we measure it means a lot to God.

So for my part, time controls us but God controls time. The days in Genesis could have lasted longer than 24 hours and maybe longer than any of us suspect.
 
#72
#72
rjd970 said:
I think it hits on a central point.

Any body that believes the earth was created in the year 8010 b.c. (making the earth 10,000 years old) is saying a lot about how they weigh observable evidence against religious faith.

All this nonsense about questioning the dating techniques is just noise. We can say with absolute certainty from multiple dating techniques the earth is billions, not thousands, of years old.
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I think one poster indicated that God created the earth and universe 10,000 or so years ago, but created it to make it look as though it is billions of years old, complete with dinosaur bones, etc. I suppose that is possible, I guess I just don't understand why God would do such a thing.
 
#73
#73
jamesd1628 said:
I think one poster indicated that God created the earth and universe 10,000 or so years ago, but created it to make it look as though it is billions of years old, complete with dinosaur bones, etc. I suppose that is possible, I guess I just don't understand why God would do such a thing.
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Because clearly he was an evolutionary scientist.
 
#74
#74
jamesd1628 said:
There are many, including non-Christians, who argue that technology/science/etc. have created far more problems than they have solved. There are also many books (scientific and otherwise) written about the nature of civilizations - specificially, that every civilization that has ever been built on this earth has ultimately collapsed.
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Anyone. Christian or not, can see that our civilization, although supposedly progressing tech/scient at a rate we never have before, is CLEARLY degrading overall. Signs are everywhere. Its also possible God created a perfect world and let us have free choice to show us what WE would do to it-(see current state) without Him.
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#75
#75
droski said:
it matters because the bible says 10,000 years ago that god created everything in a week.
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I don't read it in the same way many do. If we accept that a single being created everything then what would a day be to them? Would it be the blink of an eye to a human or the time it takes for a beam of light to travel from one side of the universe to the other? We simply don't know the answer to that question and cannot. The word day is just a man made term to explain the duration of some period of measurement.

Why would the term day absolutely without question have to refer to a 24 hour period as we know it today?

IMO this is where it gets petty on both sides.
 
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