Religion/Bible/Theology Topic - Beware All Ye That Enter Here

#101
#101
droski said:
i understand the theory that translated in hebrew doesn't neccasarily mean 24 hours. are you saying that it isn't fixed? i.e. i can say the first day blah blah blah, the second day blah blah blah. and the first day and second day aren't the same amount of time? that's not the way i understood it from my years of catholic school. :)
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This is true. The fact that separate "days" was used indicates a fixed interval of time. Even by allegorical or interpretive methods this would have to be so.
 
#104
#104
droski said:
i understand the theory that translated in hebrew doesn't neccasarily mean 24 hours. are you saying that it isn't fixed? i.e. i can say the first day blah blah blah, the second day blah blah blah. and the first day and second day aren't the same amount of time? that's not the way i understood it from my years of catholic school. :)
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Some will say that I am simply trying to find a way for my belief in God to mesh with what I believe about the world I live in and scientific knowledge. I have my own beliefs that I came to by reading the Bible and and studying science as a kid and young adult.

I went to a Christian school in Nashville and was an outcast because I came from the wrong side of the tracks. I struggled with faith for a while being enrolled at a Christian school and being confronted with the hypocrisy of being treated as a lesser person because I did not come from the same neighborhoods and tax brackets as all the other kids.

I even dropped my belief in God for some time as a young adult because of bitterness and resentment. I came back to the fold so to speak but with a little different understanding of God than most. Science and religion seem to mesh rather well for me, science explains religion and challenges my thoughts on God and has me seek further resolution. I look at God and the Bible (as well as other texts) as a book of study and understanding. As I come to understand more and get challenged I feel I am closer to God....It may sound crazy to some but it works for me, I don't claim to be more enlightened than the next man but those who feel they are close to God because they can recite scripture are missing so much IMO.
 
#105
#105
rjd970 said:
Because, why would an omnipotent being capable of anything and outside of time say "day" unless he really meant "day"? What's the point of the ambiguity?

Why not say it took 7 steps to create the universe, each step taking x,y,z...etc long?

And for that matter, if he rested on the 7th "day", what did he do on the 8th, 9th, 10th, etc...?
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This may still be the 7th day.
 
#106
#106
droski said:
right. she may actually hate my guts. your point?
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My point is, you have faith that she loves you. Without any hard evidence, you chose to believe that. She can't give you hard evidence because it doesn't exist. There isn't anything she can do to prove it. You accept that she does, or you don't. She may do one thing and an outsider looking at your relationship would draw one conclusion, while you and she - because you love each other, draw another.

For a Christian, that's what it all boils down to.

I should've put this in the other thread probably but I didn't have time when I was reading. It probably doesn't fit this thread as well.
 
#107
#107
droski said:
i'm not trying to be an arse, but have you actually looked into how they calculate this and why they feel they have a relative amount of certainty? this strikes me as "i don't understand how it works, so it must be magic" logic.
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I haven't, but I still find it a stretch to say we can date something to the hundreds of millions. I'm obviously not an expert and don't claim to be. (Or to be right for that matter) But if I'm not mistaking they can't even nail down with certainty the exact date a long deceased body died when they find unidentified bodies. Sure they can estimate and give a window of TOD, but if they can only get within days and weeks of this (with all this "super" science)then I find it hard to believe they can tell the difference in 200 and 500 million years with accuracy. This whole convo will eventually boil down to faith.(Read this book already) so .......
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#108
#108
jamesd1628 said:
Okay, so what do all you Bible scholars and others think of the notion, presented in the original post, that the fall of man as depicted in Genesis might actually be man's decision to build and live in civilization rather than in nature/The Garden?
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I replied a few pages back to your question with another question and some observations.
 
#110
#110
vollygirl said:
My point is, you have faith that she loves you. Without any hard evidence, you chose to believe that. She can't give you hard evidence because it doesn't exist. There isn't anything she can do to prove it. You accept that she does, or you don't. She may do one thing and an outsider looking at your relationship would draw one conclusion, while you and she - because you love each other, draw another.

For a Christian, that's what it all boils down to.

I should've put this in the other thread probably but I didn't have time when I was reading. It probably doesn't fit this thread as well.
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I am pretty sure droski's fiance does things for him that God never has (priests might be another matter, since he went to a catholic school).
 
#112
#112
vollygirl said:
My point is, you have faith that she loves you. Without any hard evidence, you chose to believe that. She can't give you hard evidence because it doesn't exist. There isn't anything she can do to prove it. You accept that she does, or you don't. She may do one thing and an outsider looking at your relationship would draw one conclusion, while you and she - because you love each other, draw another.

For a Christian, that's what it all boils down to.

I should've put this in the other thread probably but I didn't have time when I was reading. It probably doesn't fit this thread as well.
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but i do have plenty of hard evidence and proof. her actions. if god provided me with such evidence i surely would not be agnostic.
 
#113
#113
rjd970 said:
Because, why would an omnipotent being capable of anything and outside of time say "day" unless he really meant "day"? What's the point of the ambiguity?
Perhaps the ambiguity is mans doing.
Why not say it took 7 steps to create the universe, each step taking x,y,z...etc long?
Writing styles were very poetic and theatrical and infused with symbolism in ancient times, only the noble were blessed with the knowledge of written language. Perhaps it was simply lost in translation over the years or to go back even further it is very possible some of the story was lost in oral accounts passed down through generations.
And for that matter, if he rested on the 7th "day", what did he do on the 8th, 9th, 10th, etc...?
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God's rest on the seventh day could mean any number of things, it is possible that we are experiencing his rest and have been for some time and on the "8th day" we will experience prophecy fulfilled.

These are just my beliefs on possibilities, anyone who claims to have all the answers is full of it.
 
#115
#115
KB5252 said:
God's rest on the seventh day could mean any number of things, it is possible that we are experiencing his rest and have been for some time and on the "8th day" we will experience prophecy fulfilled.

These are just my beliefs on possibilities, anyone who claims to have all the answers is full of it.
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This is true.
 
#120
#120
MWR said:
Maybe you should consider taking "resting" as in the sense of a court where the defense "rests".

The process of creation was finished.
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Kind of puts a hole in "Intelligent design" or guided evolution doesn't it, if he isn't doing any designing any more?
 
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